Maddanceskillz = scammer

[Shaun41178(2)]

The hypocricy continues.

So haus of guru does work for a fiero owner, fiero owner scams Haus, Old Europe members grab pitchforks and bans the scammer.

Maddanceskillz claims to have a longblock engine complete for sale, guy buys motor, gets motor, finds out its a pile of shit and incomplete, comes on Old Europe and says maddance ripped him off, the new guy gets banned before he can get pics posted!!

LOL I fucking love it. On one hand they ban a guy cause he supposedly scammed Haus, but then they let another scammer stay!!!! Fucking hysterical!!!

http://www.fiero.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/082071.html

LOL ban him before he can post pics showing proof of the pile of shit engine he was sold!!! Mob mentallity rules again.

I have quite a few emails from Maddance showing how big of a flake he is and a liar as well, as I was asking about the same motor that guy bought. Shit I have email proof that maddance claimed his bone stock 4.9 swap fiero ran 13's in the qtr mile yet he refuses to post the video!!! I will post those emails up shortly.

[Emc209i]

Value is determined solely by what the mob thinks something is worth. I'm exceedingly happy the community there thinks a rebuilt 3.4 is worth more than $1700. I perceive this to be a good thing for me personally. I care very little for the plight of the inexperienced buyer and the muffler shop.

Slow day Shaun?

[Fastback86]

I'd be pissed too if I paid $1700 for a long block. Still, by the look of the thread, new guy was an idiot any way you slice it.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Yup $1700 for a longlbock with missing parts. And I agree, that guy didn't handle himself all that well, but then again, he was also unaware of the mob mentality over there.

Like I said, he was banned before he could provide proof showing that he didn't get everything he paid for.

David bowden(maddance) claimed he had a dyno sheet for his 3.4. I asked numerous times for it. Finally after several emails, he admitted that he didn't have it, and that if I wanted to see the numbers, I would have to dyno it myself. LOL Pretty impossible considering he no longer had the motor. The guy is a liar and a thief plain and simple.

[Fastback86]

Well, it depends who you believe. Admittedly, I only got 4 pages in before I gave up on that thread, but while it initially looked as though the guy got a raw deal, by the end it sounded a lot more like he thought he was getting a complete engine when he was only being sold a long block. Poor communication, but it doesn't make it a scam. $1700 for a used long block, on the other hand, is a rip.

I also think that's a different 3.4. I know which 3.4 is in Bowden's car because I sold it to him and I'm pretty sure he's kept that one and is selling some other engine he had. He's got quite the stash of parts. Doesn't look my old engine in the pictures posted on page 8.

[MstangsBware]

Well, it depends who you believe. Admittedly, I only got 4 pages in before I gave up on that thread, but while it initially looked as though the guy got a raw deal, by the end it sounded a lot more like he thought he was getting a complete engine when he was only being sold a long block. Poor communication, but it doesn't make it a scam. $1700 for a used long block, on the other hand, is a rip.

I also think that's a different 3.4. I know which 3.4 is in Bowden's car because I sold it to him and I'm pretty sure he's kept that one and is selling some other engine he had. He's got quite the stash of parts. Doesn't look my old engine in the pictures posted on page 8.

That guy is always scamming to sell/buy shit all the time...I noticed he is always wanting to buy somthing but never has the money untill he sales other shit. I have seen a few deals where he didn't have the money but others did but he drug it out till he had the money....Something is shady about the guy forsure.....

[Fastback86]

Well, it depends who you believe. Admittedly, I only got 4 pages in before I gave up on that thread, but while it initially looked as though the guy got a raw deal, by the end it sounded a lot more like he thought he was getting a complete engine when he was only being sold a long block. Poor communication, but it doesn't make it a scam. $1700 for a used long block, on the other hand, is a rip.

I also think that's a different 3.4. I know which 3.4 is in Bowden's car because I sold it to him and I'm pretty sure he's kept that one and is selling some other engine he had. He's got quite the stash of parts. Doesn't look my old engine in the pictures posted on page 8.

That guy is always scamming to sell/buy shit all the time...I noticed he is always wanting to buy somthing but never has the money untill he sales other shit. I have seen a few deals where he didn't have the money but others did but he drug it out till he had the money....Something is shady about the guy forsure.....

Yeah, he struck me as the get-rich-quick type. Hell, he sold that long block for nearly as much as he paid for my whole car. He doesn't seem to have any moral compunction about a deal as long as he comes out on top.

[Emc209i]

Welcome to America?

[Fastback86]

Welcome to America?

Well, I meant more so, but thanks I guess.

[Detroit427]

Scammed, banned, thank you ma'am. Now that's what I call "community." 9 page thread, most of it crap in just a couple days. Now that he's banned let's all post and talk about the facebook messages we recieved. Bunch of old man gossip queens. Who the frick cares?

[Shaun41178(2)]

David said he was selling the motor as a complete setup, ready to run. The motor was the claimed 208 whp motor that the kid bought. If shit is missing off the motor, then obviously its not "ready to run"

I agree with Mustangsbware. He just started a thread asking about a duke engine he is looking at buying. LOL I thought this kid was looking at doing a 3800 swap? Yea he probably wants to buy a duke engine, then turn around and say its a ready to run drop in, when it really isn't, thus scamming someone else. The dude claims he is building a 3800 sc motor to make 300 whp at only 2400 rpm!! LOL I laughed at that.

Everything this guy sells, he claims is gold. Everything that everyone else is selling he claims is crap, yet he still wants to buy it at a highly reduced price.

Like his 4.9 swap fiero. Bone stock he claims it ran 13's in the qtr mile. Everything on it was the best of the best so he could get a higher price. When asked for the timeslip and video of his run (he claims to have the video of it) he refuses to post it because "there is nothing in it for him"

When asked for his dyno of his 3.4 he refused because "there was nothing in it for him" then later changed it to him not having one to post.

So I told him that I would give him my fiero if he would post up the video and the dyno sheet. Guess what? He still refused!!!! I have this all in email correspondence as proof. An entire car just for posting a video and a dyno sheet. He still wouldnt' do it. He was lying about everything the whole time, just hoping noone would call his bluff.

Funny thing is, he claims his mom and grandpa are lawyers, then he gets on Old Europe asking if there are any lawyers about "slander" advice. LOL why doesn't this kid talk to his mom or grandpa about it instead of asking Old Europe? More lies.

[Emc209i]

Wow, $1700 for this:



I almost feel bad for the guy.

Oh, and seeing Andrew Lewis' facebook picture made me lulz. Was that Lowlux who jumped the last few pages to throw RFT into the mix?

[Jinxmutt]

Holy hell. All those Old Europe guys riled up over there. How many of them do you think would personally pay $1700 for that pile of crap? My guess is none, yet they're all over that Tom guy about how much of a Jerk he is. What a joke.

[Fastback86]

Anyone have a link to the original For Sale thread? I'm curious if it really is my old engine. If it is, he did a hell of a number on it in the last 8 months. Of course, he managed to wreck the whole damn car three weeks after buying it, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[Fastback86]

Hmm, looks like he was trying to trade the green car I thought he put the engine into, except with no engine. In another thread, he was selling two 3.4l engines, but he's edited out all the info post-sale. One was claimed to be a 0-mile rebuild with at least a few accessories and "$3000" worth of of work on it. The other I can't find any info on. I have a feeling my engine was the one I can't find info on, which seems to have been sold no problem. I say that because he said the 0-mile engine had a stock intake, while mine had a Trueleo, though he certainly could've swapped parts around. I assume, though, that he'd try to keep my "210 horsepower" (uh, no) engine together. More valuable already tuned. That, and mine also had a ported lower intake manifold that I bought from Shaun and the one in that picture looks stock to me, though it's hard to tell under the grime.

[Shaun41178(2)]

wait the motor he claims made 210 whp he bought from you Fastback?

He told me that the previous owner had it dynoed. He also told me that the dyno flew out the window when he was in a wreck. He also told me that the dyno was at his old house in Indianapolis. Finally he told me that he didn't have one, but that I could pay for it if I wanted proof. Sound fishy to anyone else?

I am not surprised that his for sale posts have been edited. He is trying to protect himself from what he was selling so he can say whatever he wants now.

If he sold a 0 mile motor, then why is that so dirty? If he sold the 210 whp motor, then why doesn't it have the truleo on it considering he was selling it as a "complete ready to run drop in" motor?

Not to mention it has NO thermostat housing, nor coolant sensor under the thermo housing.

Like I said, everything this kid trys to sell he claims is gold. This is proof that its not!!! He is a liar.

[Fastback86]

I really don't know much more than you at this point since he deleted the sale post. He seems to have a massive collection of parts and is always wheeling and dealing, so he could've stripped my motor, rebuilt it with other parts or who knows.

But yes, the "210 hp" motor he bought from me and I never had it dynoed. He had the mods list all wrong, but by the time I ever saw that clusterfuck of a thread it had been dead for months. That engine came out of a junkyard with just under 40,000 miles on it and was bone stock when I got it. I stripped it to the long block and built it back up with new seals and Fiero parts to begin with. A year or two later, I tore the top open and replaced the entire intake system with a ported lower intake manifold, a Trueleo short-runner intake, a ported stock throttle body and a CRX intake with K&N filter. Engine also had ported stock exhaust manifolds (pretty sure the front manifold cracked, but I never got around to checking it before I sold it) and a Spintech muffler from WCF. I'd recently given it a tune up with fresh plugs, wires, cap rotor, the usual. Ditched the TB coolant lines, threw an Accel coil on it and a set of 1.52:1 (or maybe it was 1.6:1, I can't remember now) roller-tipped rockers. Series worked on the ECM for me, pulled the old chip and replaced it with a newer chip (from a 7730 ECM I believe) that he could read/write from his laptop. We tuned it with the narrow-band O2 sensor on the car and a scan tool. It was close enough for me, passed smog and was plenty quick, though I think it was a bit rich. David claimed he had it dyno tuned after he bought it, but I doubt it. Never got around to doing a cam, headers, Y-pipe, AL flywheel, underdrive pulley or anything else I was planning, though he later claimed it had a Crane cam in it when it didn't.

All in all, I'd have been happy to see 200 hp at the crank on that motor, but I'd guess it was probably more in the 180 hp range. There's no way it made 210 hp at the wheels, though.

**Edit to add the roller-tip rockers, forgot about those.

[Emc209i]

180 bhp would be a great estimate in my book - with the truleo installed. So you had what, maybe $500 in the block, seals, and bearings(?).

[Fastback86]

180 bhp would be a great estimate in my book - with the truleo installed. So you had what, maybe $500 in the block, seals, and bearings(?).

I wish. My 2.8 took a dump and this was my only car, so I had to take the only 3.4 I could find. $860 later...Anyway, all told, I probably blew close to $2000 on that motor. The long block, though, being bone stock isn't worth much more than what I paid for it since it has at least twice the mileage on it now (80-90k). Also forgot that I put 1.52:1 roller-tip rockers on there. So 180-190hp range most likely.

[Emc209i]

Ouch.