lucky80 wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EBSB52- You have obviously made up your mind about many things, which I find ironic because science is supposed to be about the pursuit of truth, not bashing things which you can't wrap your mind around.
Not sure what I think of religion/Christianity has to do with its actual presence or not - more of an Ad Hominem - my beliefs don't affect the probability of Christianity, my presence on this earth won't affect anything except for a carbon footprint I leave behind.
As for making up my mind, I just post and exhibit evidence and see what others do with it; no one has really addressed it, not even in a God / Jebus Twilight Zone fashion. But I am really open to any all evidence, just not hocus pocus and I am the same way with a scientific argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All your arguing about Jesus' jacuzzi time and checking people's files is irrelevant. One of the basic tenets of Judeo-Christianity is that God is all powerful and all knowing.
The former is sarcasm, the later about all-knowing is the hocus pocus to which I refer as poop. OK, so you have others who are willing to buy into the hocus pocus, awesome, just don't be dissapointed when the seculars refuse to buy it, especially when you are EXTREMELY critical of evidence they might have, evidence that is supported with artifacts and other tangible things.
As for checking files for naughtiness vs niceness, actually irrelevant because as we have it written we can be the most heinous of bastards, murderers and get thru the pearly gates, well, we have to be screened for having given our soul to Jebus, as it is written, and we are afforded < 1 second for this process? SO Jebus is a super-computer? So much for us being made in his image. Either he is an immortal human, like us but immortal, or he is nothing like us, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Of course we conjure our image of God in our own image. Every image of Jesus you find in this country is of a caucasian; Jesus was not only Jewish, he was from the middle east, he wouldn't have that creamy white complexion.
Great point, further supporting my point that it is a self-created haox to coerce. I've used that point all the time, a black guy posed it to me years ago and I agree. Think of all the ugly things Christianity has been used for: antimiscegenation, slavery, murder, excommunication, etc....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, the name we translate as Adam, is ancient Hebrew for "the color of earth" so Adam & Eve were probably closer to black than white.
Didn't know that, but weren't they from the Garden of Eden? Where was that, a mystical place akin to Greek mythology?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Proving" that God exists would make religion pointless.
And that's the crux of my point; it's not about the reality, the actuality, it's about some intentionally unknown, using BS methods opposed to science to believe BS non-evidence and pose it as evidence. IF the thumpers would quit pretending that the Bible and every tortilla and screen door were real evidence and that these things are just for fun, it would be pallatable, but they produce these jokes as real and get angry when not believed - the worst is when they legislate with their nutty, ill-supported beliefs. Remember, Salem was essentially entirely about Christianity-based idiocy; they would execute usually women who wouldn't submit.
But I understand the faith is the key, if it were real and we knew it then it would remove the X factor. All that argument does is to push it further into the Twilight Zone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If God came down and said "Here I am, let me prove it in any tangible way you please," then the next day everyone would be in church praying for salvation. Completely eliminating FAITH. Believing without seeing is another cornerstone of religion, eliminate it and religion is pointless.
I choose to believe that religions are generally pointless, but I just believe in the scientific method - silly me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for Darwin, he himself said evolution was improbable in his later years, and yet "science" still accepts it as fact.
You mean evolution from ape to man. Evolution theories happen all day long, natural selection is the prevallent phenomenon around. I have never read that Darwin stated that man-to-ape evolution is improbable; enlighten me. But he has never disavowed the elements of evolution.
EDITED TO ASK: Where has science stated things as fact? Where have they stated things as proof? You might carefully find a rendering of teh former, but not the later. No one has had the cookies to challenge my assertion that responsible science won't use, "proof" and that the use of, "fact" i used, is carefully used on things like, "although it is fact that there is life on earth......"
I think you went to church and heard, "I have proof of Jebus by the feeling in my heart........bla, bla, bla......" Or got to court: I have proof that the defendant killed the victim......." Science isn't that pathetic, they form a hypothesis or two, test them and formulate a theory, perhaps a law for things like gravity, but some scientists refuse to even do that. Scientists realize they are naive, Christianity knows they know it all and lawyers who argue in court are just hit-men who claim to have all the answers to the highest bidder. Of teh 3, scientists get my credibility.
