Real Fiero Tech

CincinnatiFiero · Post by **CincinnatiFiero** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:21 pm

3300 is closer to the S1, not the S2. I'm sure it could be made to work but the motors and transes(?) are different. I also question if the blower will clear the hood.

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:30 pm

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:01 pm

ive seen an s2 in a lter model 97+ but dont know about the earlier cars.

CincinnatiFiero · Post by **CincinnatiFiero** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:17 pm

I don't think a 3800SII is any longer (wider in a transaxles case), the S1 is actually taller than the S2. Check over on 3800pro.com they swap this kind of stuff.

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:55 pm

jelly2m81 · Post by **jelly2m81** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:18 am

They stick em in late model cavaliers, they should fit in a GA.

Atilla the Fun · Post by **Atilla the Fun** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:13 pm

What letter-body designation is the Grand Am? like a w-body or some such? Those guys have a forum, I've seen it. I think there's a good link at www.engineered.net, or maybe it's www.engineeredperformance. anyway, I'd like to see pics afterward. I'm considering my L36 into my '85 Cavalier.

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:06 pm

Nashco · Post by **Nashco** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:38 am

N-Body:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Grand_Am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_N_platform

Used the 3.3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine#3300

Swap from 3300 to L67 shown right here:

http://realfierotech.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=121247

Somebody with a GAGT that actually did this swap:

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthre ... =newfinish

So, as you can see, it isn't a stretch to put together an L67 Grand Am. Question is...why? Crappy suspension, crappy interior, crappy weight distribution, dime a dozen car, and ugly IMO. It would be fast...in a straight line....for a front wheel drive.

Also, I'm trying to help you out here...but are you sure it has a 3300 and it's a '94? Everything I see tells me that '93 was the last year for the 3300 in the Grand Am. I'm sure the bits and pieces are interchangeable, but before you do much more asking around perhaps you should take a second look under the hood and see what you've got.

Bryce

Atilla the Fun · Post by **Atilla the Fun** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:01 pm

A dime a dozen car makes a great sleeper. Besides, I'd rather have a FWD for winter use than endanger a Fiero. Then again, the O.P. has like 20 Fieros, so what would he care?

Nashco · Post by **Nashco** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:23 pm

Atilla the Fun wrote:A dime a dozen car makes a great sleeper. Besides, I'd rather have a FWD for winter use than endanger a Fiero. Then again, the O.P. has like 20 Fieros, so what would he care?

L67 for a winter beater? Endangering a Fiero? Does not compute!

Bryce

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:07 pm

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:24 pm

V8Archie wrote: The suspension on the car is pretty good actually it handles really well for a 15 yr old sedan

N-bodies handle exceptionally well, and for a fiero owner to make a comment about their handling is humorous. The calais whooped ass against MR2s and BMW 3's of the day. I believe the 94 grand am has the 1" wider achieva axle that was used in 92+ olds. If not, you can swap the achieva rear for better stability.

Nashco · Post by **Nashco** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:47 pm

p8ntman442 wrote:
V8Archie wrote: The suspension on the car is pretty good actually it handles really well for a 15 yr old sedan

N-bodies handle exceptionally well, and for a fiero owner to make a comment about their handling is humorous. The calais whooped ass against MR2s and BMW 3's of the day. I believe the 94 grand am has the 1" wider achieva axle that was used in 92+ olds. If not, you can swap the achieva rear for better stability.

Note that said "exceptionally well handling" N-Bodies did not have L67s and 4T65Es. Think about the weight difference of a quad 4 + Getrag compared to an L67 + 4T65 and how that effects chassis balance. I've raced an N-Body (Achieva SCX) in stripped-to-the-bones trim, and even with the Q4+Getrag, relocated battery, etc. the front axle was still pretty piggy. Adding another couple hundred pounds to the front axle would've totally F'd up the handling on that car.

Also, while the Achieva handled well, it definitely didn't handle as well as an '88 Fiero would similarly prepared, or an E30 for that matter.

Bryce

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:14 pm

The Dark Side of Will · Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:20 pm

I've found with my 6000 exactly the same thing that I've found with my Fiero regarding tires and weight distribution. The wider tires need to go where the weight is.

With a 60/40 weight distribution, it's really tough to get the tires to match the weight distribution (305's front, 205's rear), but you can move in the right direction. On the Goose I'm running 16x8's from a Grand Prix on the front with 16x7's from a Bonneville on the rear. The wheels have the same appearance, so nothing looks out of place, other than a deeper lip on the front. I run Yoko Avid V4s in 245/50-16 on the front and H4s in 205/60-16 on the rear. The improvement in grip over the stock 195's was tremendous, of course, but the radical reduction in UNDERSTEER was even better. The car can even be coaxed into power oversteer under *just* the right conditions.

Anyway, a similar wheel/tire combo would help any FWD car tremendously.

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:34 pm

Nashco · Post by **Nashco** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:07 pm

V8Archie wrote:The 4t65 trans outweighs the the grand am trans by a couple hundred pounds?

I was speaking to p8ntman about N-Bodies cleaning up E30s on race tracks. The only successfully campaigned Calais (which in itself is lighter than the later Grand Ams) were those with Quad 4s and Getrags. Like I said, compare the weight of those engines and transmissions and it's a drastic difference.

For your daily driver and just wanting a project to tinker with, you'll be fine. Heck, depending on your commute, it'd be a heck of a lot more fun. Like you said, the 3300+auto package you have is already pretty heavy, so adding another few pounds but getting a big bump in power will be a fine trade off. Still a lot of work on a POS...I'd rather start with a cooler car, but if you want to do it on a budget, whatever floats your boat. I'm not a GA kind of guy, way too vanilla for me. That Cutlass I linked to is much more my style...what an odd duck!

Bryce

V8Archie · Post by **V8Archie** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:04 pm

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