Sooooo..... what do the quickest PR 60*'s run?

crzyone · Post by **crzyone** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:26 pm

Orief's car would destroy your old setup around a road course. He races his car so having an engine that doesn't depend on nitrous is a good idea.

Shaun, he ran a low 12, has gone to the dyno to tune. Give the guy a break, he did more than 99% of sbc owners do.

The Dark Side of Will · Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:53 pm

Like I've said before, his engine pretty much makes its rated power in a Fiero. That's stellar performance considering his peer group.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:15 pm

The Dark Side of Will wrote:That's stellar performance considering his peer group.

What, the SBC crowd? Stellar is an understatement. $7000 for 330hp? That's simply magnificent. :scratch:

crzyone · Post by **crzyone** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:37 pm

You are so hung up on money. If he has the cash and would rather someone else build it then that is his choice. Cost doesn't matter to some people.

He got what he wanted, what he paid for. Doesn't matter if you think it's too expensive. Maybe someday when you have a house, a job and a life you won't find the time to work on your stuff either. $7k isn't exactly a lot of money anyways.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:10 pm

crzyone wrote:You are so hung up on money. If he has the cash and would rather someone else build it then that is his choice. Cost doesn't matter to some people.

He got what he wanted, what he paid for. Doesn't matter if you think it's too expensive. Maybe someday when you have a house, a job and a life you won't find the time to work on your stuff either. $7k isn't exactly a lot of money anyways.

He doesn't have the cash, that's why he's stuck in a 20 year old econo-box. Notice everyone who has the cash has moved up? What do you drive? Trevor? Donk?

He got raped, because he's a fucking idiot. Edelbrock makes a brand new 350 crate engine. It weighs significantly less than his, is a fully assembled long block (Including carb/MSD ignition), makes more power and a lot more torque, has a no charge no deductible 2 year warranty, ARP hardware, an air gap intake and dyno-tuned 650cfm Edelbrock carb, all for over $1500 less than he spent.

crzyone · Post by **crzyone** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:09 pm

Doesn't matter. He got what he wanted, what he paid for. There could be 100 better engines, but he wanted a GM crate engine.

The Dark Side of Will · Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:14 pm

Aaron wrote:He got raped, because he's a fucking idiot. Edelbrock makes a brand new 350 crate engine. It weighs significantly less than his, is a fully assembled long block (Including carb/MSD ignition), makes more power and a lot more torque, has a no charge no deductible 2 year warranty, ARP hardware, an air gap intake and dyno-tuned 650cfm Edelbrock carb, all for over $1500 less than he spent.

Why don't you explain which engine you're referring to and how/why it's so much lighter and cheaper than a ZZ4?

Matt Hawkins · Post by **Matt Hawkins** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:46 pm

Just to keep the thread on track. I ran 11.9 @ 118.

The Dark Side of Will · Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:14 pm

Thanks for joining, Matt.

You've got a DOHC, though. Kthxbai :thumbleft:

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:36 pm

Hey Matt, welcome to the forum!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:10 pm

crzyone wrote:Doesn't matter. He got what he wanted, what he paid for. There could be 100 better engines, but he wanted a GM crate engine.

The short block is a GM crate motor, Edelbrock just fixes the long block, to make it not suckass like his. I have a GM crate engine as well. It didn't cost 7 grand. And with the 6 I saved, I guarantee you I can make more power, get better mileage, have a far easier swap, hold my transmission in one piece, and God knows what else.

The Dark Side of Will wrote: Why don't you explain which engine you're referring to and how/why it's so much lighter and cheaper than a ZZ4?

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new ... _363.shtml

After looking at the ZZ4 again, it looks as if it is an aluminum head engine, I thought it was iron. At any rate it makes less power, much less torque, costs more, uses lower quality components, and as far as I'm aware, doesn't have a warranty.

crzyone · Post by **crzyone** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:06 am

Aaron wrote:
much less torque

In one breath you say your 3.4dohc will be easier on a transmission and in the next you say that his engine has less torque than the EB.

So with your own logic, wouldn't it be better if his engine makes less torque than the EB?

I think you are confused. Need to form a better argument. :la:

Leafy · Post by **Leafy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:16 am

Aaron wrote:
The short block is a GM crate motor, Edelbrock just fixes the long block, to make it not suckass like his. I have a GM crate engine as well. It didn't cost 7 grand. And with the 6 I saved, I guarantee you I can make more power, get better mileage, have a far easier swap, hold my transmission in one peice, and God knows what else.

Well Prove it, ignoramus. You're just as bad as some of the SBC guys claiming wild Horsepower numbers and fast 1/4 times without showing the proof. Dyno it and Race it.

Until then, :stfu:

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:11 pm

crzyone wrote: In one breath you say your 3.4dohc will be easier on a transmission and in the next you say that his engine has less torque than the EB.

So with your own logic, wouldn't it be better if his engine makes less torque than the EB?

I think you are confused. Need to form a better argument. :la:

It would be better, if you still have the HP. His lacks both.

Leafy wrote: Well Prove it, ignoramus. You're just as bad as some of the SBC guys claiming wild Horsepower numbers and fast 1/4 times without showing the proof. Dyno it and Race it.

Until then, :stfu:

I am. I'm sorry it isn't an overnight deal. Not like you'd know, yoru Fiero doesn't have shit.

CincinnatiFiero · Post by **CincinnatiFiero** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:30 pm

Orief had an E46 sedan last I saw... so, yeah, he does have some cash. My old base one (325i, leather, roof, auto) stickered at $37,000. I can say my 60* V6 is slow as shit and would never hit 14s lol.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:35 pm

Cash and debt are not equal.

CincinnatiFiero · Post by **CincinnatiFiero** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:36 pm

very true, but I wouldn't worry about David, hes doing okay, its V8Archie who keeps going broke.

The Dark Side of Will · Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:48 pm

Aaron wrote:
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Why don't you explain which engine you're referring to and how/why it's so much lighter and cheaper than a ZZ4?
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new ... _363.shtml

After looking at the ZZ4 again, it looks as if it is an aluminum head engine, I thought it was iron. At any rate it makes less power, much less torque, costs more, uses lower quality components, and as far as I'm aware, doesn't have a warranty.

So what's the price difference, then?

Leafy · Post by **Leafy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:57 pm

Aaron wrote:
I am. I'm sorry it isn't an overnight deal. Not like you'd know, yoru Fiero doesn't have shit.

We're not talking about me, we're talking about you, since that's all you like to do.

If you can't prove anything then just Shutup Aaron.

Chris-Nelson · Post by **Chris-Nelson** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:01 pm

well this topic USED TO BE interesting...