My second stage of Teh NAWWZZZZZ

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My second stage of Teh NAWWZZZZZ

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So how much more nitrous can I push on this? YOu are probably asking isn't enough enough already? Well I say no.

I have got a disease and the only cure is more nitrous. So what I did today is spent money. I filled up my bottle for one. Second I bought some more fittings so that I can plumb my second stage. The second stage will be my old dry setup that I sprayed through the throttle bodies. I had a few people interested in buying my old dry setup, but I guess the $250 was just too much money or soemthing I don't know. SO I said what the hell and figured I would use it to give me a little more power.

Spent $70 on the bottle refill. Wow you are probably thinking to yourself. Thats expensive. Well not really now that I upgraded to a 20 lb bottle!! All I have to say is taht this mutha is HUGE!. It doesn't even really fit in the footwell anymore. Its fatter and taller then my 10 lb bottle so the passenger is def going to have a big fatty between his/her legs when riding with me. I dont' have a pic of that yet but I prob will eventually. I am too lazy to go out and take one now

I did get some pics of how I will probably route the second stage. So you will see those below. Basically I am going to T into the main feed line and have one line going to the direct port side and then have the other going to the dry setup. I will be keeping the jets on the second stage small at first till I get this thing on teh dyno with the wideband. I totally spend way too much time there I know but whatever.

The reason why I am doing this is because I was disappointed with my torque curve after going to the direct port. My tq numbers down low are off the charts compared to my old dry setup so that makes it much more fun, but the tq falls off quicker adn I am hoping to get some of it back. The tq with the direct over the dry yeilded me an extra 60 ft lbs of peak tq(190 now 250). Thats a bunch more tq however the tq on the direct is taken at a very high 3800 rpm or so on all the runs I have done. SO its probably more like 280 wtq at 3k rpm which would give me almost 90 lb ft more tq over my dry setup. Makes for a lot of fun down low.

With the dry setup though my tq stayed at 190ish all the way till 5k rpm and then it started to fall off. I was very happy with that. With my direct port I am at 200 lb ft at 5k rpm so I am really only making 10 more lb ft at the same rpm with the direct. I think this has to do with the dry filling up those intake tubes and allowing the engine to really allow it to breath much higher overall concentrations of oxygen at all engine speeds. So my goal is to spray a second shot dry in through the tb's like my old setup and allow the motor to pull a more concentrated nitrous charge from my starship Nay-cells..

If I can keep my tq up like around 250 all the way to 5k rpm well then you know what that will do to the hp curve as well. I am actually not expecting it to stay that high but it would be nice. I am actually expecting it to drop down to about 230-240 with the second stage which will put me at about the same amount of power. I just really am doing this to level out that tq curve like with my old dry setup.

It takes about 500 rpm for the engine to really start to suck up the nitrous from the nay-cells so I am a little unsure right now when to activate the second stage. not sure if I just want to tie it into the first stage and say to hell with it, or to wait till about 3500-4k rpm to hit the second stage. Since it takes about 500 rpm for the engine to start really pulling air from the intake, this will put the window around 4k-4500 rpm when the engine will be breathing the second stage. Taht gives me a good 1500-2k rpm of more tq. I would hate to hit it too late at like 5k and it not doing anything till 5600 rpm or so. That wouldnt' give me much extra power. This will all take dyno time to figure out when to hit it and how much to add. I am still running way rich with the direct port even with smaller fuel jets so I have lots of room to play with here. Timing will be retarded another 2-4 degrees and I def need to run a colder plug. I have been working with stock heat range plugs this whole time and they are just running way too hot.

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Here is a pic of the last dyno I had. Like I said I want to keep that tq up. Its falls hard from 4k to 5k rpm. almost 50 lb ft. I want that tq back!!

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I think MSD has an RPM activated switch you could use.
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more nawzzz less air filter :thumbleft:

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Damn, those are some ugly welds...uh wait a minute...nevermind.
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All is plumbed except the feed lines to the TB. No leaks so all is good. I need to pick up a pair of 3an fittings so I can cut my lines to size before I can run the lines to my tb. As of right now the lines I have are too long. I am going to cut them shorter for faster response from the kit.

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I think this might just do it for this 2.8. if it survives the dyno I will be pretty impressed. I am going to prob stay with my current direct port jets and then play around with the dry jets to get an extra 30 hp or so.

I have been contemplating going with 75 shot second stage giving me about 150 -175 hp over stock. I am running a 70 shot now but it has given me an extra 90 whp so I am thinking another 75 shot from the dry kit to make it around a total of a 150 shot total. any bets on failure? I already have the jet sized for an extra 75 hp with the second stage so it would be real easy to throw them in and say to hell with it I would however have to go back to my 19lb injectors to do that so I prob will keep it around a 30 shot as I dont' want to do that.

I will post results when they happen. I am thinking a good 2-3 weeks before I make it back to the dyn-ho though.
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Post by Aaron »

Holy God that is one UGLY mess of hoses and wires!

Wow I'd say the welds are ugly, but I could barely see them!


Shaun what do you plan on doing when the 2.8l blows? Engine swap?
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Form before function has always been my motto. Also the pics tend to make things look more cluttered. In person it doesnt' look as bad. But thats what you have to put up with if you want direct port I guess.

I have things lined up if this blows(somewhat). I know a few people on here are looking for a 2.8 DIS crank so I will prob sell that, and then haul the rest of it to a dumpster behind a Walmart or something and throw everything in it.
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Shaun41178(2) wrote:Form before function has always been my motto. Also the pics tend to make things look more cluttered. In person it doesnt' look as bad. But thats what you have to put up with if you want direct port I guess.

I have things lined up if this blows(somewhat). I know a few people on here are looking for a Boat Anchor DIS crank so I will prob sell that, and then haul the rest of it to a dumpster behind a Walmart or something and throw everything in it.
I like the dumpster idea!

I took my old 3.4 DOHC to the junkyard when I went, it was pretty trashed, had a cracked block, rusted out lower end, bent rod, and a bunch of other shit, so I figured it was worthless. Anyways the j/y gave my a $10 rebate for it!
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Yeah Ill take the crank-asaurus!
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AntiCooter wrote:Damn, those are some ugly welds...uh wait a minute...nevermind.
Bwahaha! :popcorn:


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I finally got around to mockingup an intake setup. I would have gone through the stock air hole location in the fender, but one of the tubes comes awefully close to the crossover pipe and I dont' want to risk melting it. So I am prob just going to route it as you see here.

I still need to get a Y pipe welded up and then connect the tubes to that and a filter on the other end. The filter will be down near the halfshaft so it should be fairly cool air there. I will prob get a dyno with it on and off and see how much power I am gaining or losing.

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Insane. I sometimes think I'd be better off with a system like yours, where I could turn my extra 100 hp on and off when I don't need it.
Power corrupts, man.

And I think the hoses are seks :3some: . Chrome don't get you home.
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Post by Shaun41178(2) »

Put a 75 shot on your car and then you can turn the power on and off whenever you like. :thumbleft:

I dont' have any power so not much corruption going on here. My car is sloooooooowww. it sucks
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Well guess what. One of my itnake tubes decided to fall off last night while I was driving around. If you look close enough at the pics you will know which one fell off.

I was an idiot and thought it wouldn't fall off. Oh well. Now I need to get a new flex hose, and a new nitrous nut, and a coupling. $15 down the drain

So anyone else have a flex tube from a 4 banger similar to the ones in the pic? I didnt' even have that bitch for a day. I got it on sat, installed it on sat night, and lost it late sat night. ARGH!!!
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Awsome setup. The was your pushing the nawz remins me of 1fst2m6's ride. He juiced that thing like mad, an never blew it.

oh yeah,
You could use some homdedepot dryer flex tubing for your air filter setup.
I saw some guy using the stuff on his 80's "ram air" camaro. lol
To be honest it probably will give better flow then that crap ribbed stuff you got, plus cheap and ez to work with
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Yep, it does a passable job (the "dryer hose"). It's not the sexist stuff when you pop the hood, but it works.
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I have checked Lowes and the smallest dryer hose they have is like 3 inches. Much too big. also its the shiny crhome stuff. I want somethign that looks black like what I had.

I need 2 inch tubing. Everything that I saw offered is too big. I checked lowes but I can only assume Home depot has the same stuff.

The 4 cylinder 84 intake hose works perfect.
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Shaun41178(2) wrote: If you look close enough at the pics you will know which one fell off.

I was an idiot and thought it wouldn't fall off.
The one towards the back of the car? The one without a clamp? :D
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I think you're better off. Those duke tubes look horrible.
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Post by p8ntman442 »

shaun, does your intake design permit turning it around, and sucking air from the battery location, you could put a plastic box air intake connected to some hose doin it that way, if you can swap the sides like that. YOur throttle cables look long though.
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