Does anyone else like paying taxes?

[Aaron]

So I'm standing in line at Wal Mart today, and this 30 year old woman (+-3yrs or so), starts griping about how controlling our Government is, and how they raise sales tax every year, and how if they dropped sales tax by 2% she could pay for a tank of gas every 2 weeks with the money she'd save.

This just really got on my nerves. I won't say I like paying taxes, but I don't mind it. I guess seeing our soldiers wearing the most bullet resistant materials out there, carrying the most advanced weapons, and trained the best makes me justify it. Not to mention the fire departments having access to life-saving technology and new equipment. Poilice departments having access to $2000 non-lethal weapons. The city being able to install cameras at traffic signals to save us time.

I guess I come from a biased standpoint, but look at all we get. All for what, 7.5% sales tax? Big fucking deal.

So I flat out told her this: I tell you what, if you want to save that much money, go shopping less. Then when you have a heart attack, at least you can still count on 4 highly trained EMTs to be on your doorstep in 8 minutes or less.

She just scuffed and walked away, obviously not able to back up her cheapass opinion.




(Now I realize much more gets takne out of our, (mine too), paychecks, but this is purely in response to sales tax, of which I also know doesn't pay for all the above things).

[DiggityBiggity]

Good response about the EMT's...

Taxes pay for Roads, Waterpipes, Electric Lines... and a shit load more... very important

Your concerned leader

Diggity"Certain taxes are just pork, but most are good"Biggity

[crzyone]

Hmmm

Well, in total this year alone I will pay close to $50k in taxes. Just about half of my total income goes to various taxes. Income, sales, gas, property, etc etc.

Governments are corrupt and can not be trusted to handle our money.

Aaron, your reply to the old lady was pretty damn ignorant. Out of respect you should just hold your tongue. She has been around long enough to know that taxes keep going up, but quality of life is not.

[Kohburn]

aaron, your reply to the old lady was pretty damn ignorant. Out of respect you should just hold your tongue. She has been around long enough to know that taxes keep going up, but quality of life is not.

just because she is older doesn't mean she understands squat about how a country is run..

granted its easy for the gov't to abuse the tax money they are given - the money is supposed to benefit us and usually does - even if extremely inneficiently (thats a whole nother gov't issue)

I support taxes as long as the money goes to a worthy cause.. I wouldn't mind if tax distribution was more a democratic proceedure where every year you voted for what things your money went towards - ie public schools, police/fire/emt, military, etc

[p8ntman442]

I just found out that the guy in charge of my work study edited my w4. I hae a kid, so i can put 6 on it and he changed it to 1. Guess I like paying taxes too.

[Kohburn]

I just found out that the guy in charge of my work study edited my w4. I hae a kid, so i can put 6 on it and he changed it to 1. Guess I like paying taxes too.

i didn't thinkt hat was legal for someone to edit a document after you sign it - but atleast you should get a nice refund in the spring

[EBSB52]

So I'm standing in line at Wal Mart today, and this 30 year old woman (+-3yrs or so), starts griping about how controlling our Government is, and how they raise sales tax every year, and how if they dropped sales tax by 2% she could pay for a tank of gas every 2 weeks with the money she'd save.

This just really got on my nerves. I won't say I like paying taxes, but I don't mind it. I guess seeing our soldiers wearing the most bullet resistant materials out there, carrying the most advanced weapons, and trained the best makes me justify it. Not to mention the fire departments having access to life-saving technology and new equipment. Poilice departments having access to $2000 non-lethal weapons. The city being able to install cameras at traffic signals to save us time.

I guess I come from a biased standpoint, but look at all we get. All for what, 7.5% sales tax? Big fucking deal.

So I flat out told her this: I tell you what, if you want to save that much money, go shopping less. Then when you have a heart attack, at least you can still count on 4 highly trained EMTs to be on your doorstep in 8 minutes or less.

She just scuffed and walked away, obviously not able to back up her cheapass opinion.




(Now I realize much more gets takne out of our, (mine too), paychecks, but this is purely in response to sales tax, of which I also know doesn't pay for all the above things).

So I'm standing in line at Wal Mart today, and this 30 year old woman (+-3yrs or so), starts griping about how controlling our Government is, and how they raise sales tax every year, and how if they dropped sales tax by 2% she could pay for a tank of gas every 2 weeks with the money she'd save.

Who cares about that; was she hot? No, hot chicks don’t bitch like that, they get some rich guy to buy their gas and rent…..

Average tank of gas = ~$40
2% tax drop = $20 per $1,000 spent
CONCLUSION: she would have to spend $2,000 every two weeks before she could be factually correct. If you can consistently spent $1,000/week you don’t need to worry about:

A) High gas prices
B) Shopping at Wally’s World
……flawed arguments…..



This just really got on my nerves. I won't say I like paying taxes, but I don't mind it.


But if it went top pay for homeless shelters to help your fellow underprivileged American, it’s a bad thing. IF it goes to pay for socialized medicine it’s no good either: personal responsibility; if you were more responsible you would either:

A) be smart enough to have insurance, even though the ins co’s can deny those insured
B) Be intelligent enough not to get sick/injured

I guess seeing our soldiers wearing the most bullet resistant materials out there, carrying the most advanced weapons, and trained the best makes me justify it.

Maybe you’re unaware that state sales taxes go to state needs. The funds to pay for the above mentioned items comes from federal funds, which are in the red how many hundreds of billions per year? The funds to pay for them come from phony money that is spent from funds we don’t have, which is a major reason the value of the dollar is piss due to having to pay interest on that money. During the Clinton years when we had a surplus, the value of the dollar gained against other countries and we could actually travel abroad. And this doesn’t even touch on the legitimacy of the war. Furthermore, these items mentioned above weren’t all available, which was a major and legitimate cry from the troops. But don’t worry, your federal tax dollars are stagnating in some rich fat cat’s account via Bush’s generosity and they all thank:

A) Those who put him in power, not to forget the US Sup CT
B) Those who think they’re doing a good deed for America

Not to mention the fire departments having access to life-saving technology and new equipment. Poilice departments having access to $2000 non-lethal weapons.

Agree.

The city being able to install cameras at traffic signals to save us time.

HUH? “us;â€

[EBSB52]

Hmmm

Well, in total this year alone I will pay close to $50k in taxes. Just about half of my total income goes to various taxes. Income, sales, gas, property, etc etc.

Governments are corrupt and can not be trusted to handle our money.

aaron, your reply to the old lady was pretty damn ignorant. Out of respect you should just hold your tongue. She has been around long enough to know that taxes keep going up, but quality of life is not.

aaron, your reply to the old lady ...

Old lady? He had her at 27 -33 and that's old? Are you a fucking 17-year old zip popping kid? Jesus fucking Christ, even when I was in my 20's I never looked at 27-33 year olds as old. Maybe you're 13 and lying about 50k/year in taxes.

[Oversteer]

I will pay in excess of $25,000.00 in taxes which makes just a little bit less than 1/3 of my total income. I do believe it is rather high, but for the services we recieve as Canadians, I guess I can't really complain. I may not be benefiting from it but members of my family and friends have definetly made good use of our abundant social services. I guess in Canada things are a little different.

[EBSB52]

aaron, your reply to the old lady was pretty damn ignorant. Out of respect you should just hold your tongue. She has been around long enough to know that taxes keep going up, but quality of life is not.

just because she is older doesn't mean she understands squat about how a country is run..

granted its easy for the gov't to abuse the tax money they are given - the money is supposed to benefit us and usually does - even if extremely inneficiently (thats a whole nother gov't issue)

I support taxes as long as the money goes to a worthy cause.. I wouldn't mind if tax distribution was more a democratic proceedure where every year you voted for what things your money went towards - ie public schools, police/fire/emt, military, etc

just because she is older doesn't mean she understands squat about how a country is run..

Well, she isn't older, unless you use queerzone's scale. which I'm sure you don't.

I support taxes as long as the money goes to a worthy cause..

And that's the subjective catcher. Do you think welfare for the poor is unworthy? DO you think over 350 billion to date for a so-called war that was entered on false premise and will likely have no beneficial outcome is worthy? Do you think medical coverage for all Americans is worthy? See, that defintion is really subjective.

I wouldn't mind if tax distribution was more a democratic proceedure where every year you voted for what things your money went towards - ie public schools, police/fire/emt, military, etc

Totally agreed and they call that a, "True Democracy." Look up the definition, but it is more utopian, as I know of no modern government that runs itself that way or ever has. But this representative form of government they disgiuse with the term, "Democracy" is a farse; contemporary Monarchies have far more individual choice than do we.

[EBSB52]

I just found out that the guy in charge of my work study edited my w4. I hae a kid, so i can put 6 on it and he changed it to 1. Guess I like paying taxes too.

Probably due to the fact that you have subscribed to work study they have that right - just a guess. I don't knwo anything about work study. SO your option is to either deal with it or withdrawal from it. It sounds as if it sucks though, as long as you file and pay any taxes owed on a timely basis they shouldn't mess with you.

What are you studying?

[EBSB52]

I will pay in excess of $25,000.00 in taxes which makes just a little bit less than 1/3 of my total income. I do believe it is rather high, but for the services we recieve as Canadians, I guess I can't really complain. I may not be benefiting from it but members of my family and friends have definetly made good use of our abundant social services. I guess in Canada things are a little different.

WTF? Rumor has it that you guys pay over 50% in taxes. Your taxes are commensurate with ours, yet we get < 1/2 the services you do. I wonder where all the other money goes? Cough *Halliburton* sneeze. And the trick is that political America is able to get dumb America to think it a good thing we have no socialized medicine and HMO privatized medicine that is horrible, and that we pipe of 1 billion per week to the so-called war. I'm guessing much of the world hates us, much of the world pities us.

[zonyl]

I believe that taxes (aka government) will go away in the next century. Most people will be working for a few big companies and they will provide housing, transportation, education, protection at a corporate benefit level. Your childrens-children will be living in a Walmart community, with Walmart Schools, and Walmart police and rescue, working at a Walmart hospital. ( http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1636 ) Wars will change gradually from battling over ethnic beliefs and borders, to battles with rival global companies.

Not too say this is a bad thing, because at least companies tend to be more efficient due to competition than the government will ever be.

[Oversteer]

The amount of taxes paid really reflects your income, what your house is worth, and how much you spend on consumer items. All items purchased for the most part are subjected to 15% tax in Ontario. Land tax is also expensive depending upon where you live and so on. After it’s all said and done we probably do pay 50% in taxes, but the services are good. We don't have a great military like you do, we don't have those expenses, we also don't feel the need to participate in useless wars. But then again we are two different nations with two different outlooks.

We are at the bottom of the power hierarchy, while you are at the top, I guess with power comes cost, maybe that’s where it goes.

[stimpy]

I just hate people bitching in general. I was at OSH the other day (hardware store) and I had about $150 worth of stuff in my cart, but I had all the UPC codes facing the cashier ready to be scanned, had my debut card in hand ready to swipe, the whole search and destroy thing. Well, sure enough the people behind me started talking. "Every time I get in a line, it is the slowest one."

So I say to the cashier "Every time I get in line, I've got to listen to someone bitch and complain." It was great. She and I had a full conversation about that as we checked out my stuff, and I could see the whiner behind me shrinking.

Good for you, aaron. Public whining is noise pollution of the worst kind. Tooks some balls to speak up. I hope you continue to do it, and try not to get your ass kicked by the "old lady's" (Calm Eb, haven't you ever misread something? Oh, that's right, you're Jesus.) husband.

[DiggityBiggity]

I believe that taxes (aka government) will go away in the next century. Most people will be working for a few big companies and they will provide housing, transportation, education, protection at a corporate benefit level. Your childrens-children will be living in a Walmart community, with Walmart Schools, and Walmart police and rescue, working at a Walmart hospital. ( http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1636 ) Wars will change gradually from battling over ethnic beliefs and borders, to battles with rival global companies.

Not too say this is a bad thing, because at least companies tend to be more efficient due to competition than the government will ever be.

Not to say this is a bad thing?!?! THAT'S FASCISM!! IT'S WHAT AMERICA REBELLED AGAINST DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR!!

Your concerned leader

Diggity"Talk like that, makes you the real terrorist"Biggity

[Kohburn]

And that's the subjective catcher. Do you think welfare for the poor is unworthy? DO you think over 350 billion to date for a so-called war that was entered on false premise and will likely have no beneficial outcome is worthy? Do you think medical coverage for all Americans is worthy? See, that defintion is really subjective.

exactly why it'd make more people happy if I said 15% of my tax money goes to support our troops, 30% goes to support our roads/infrastructure, 30% goes to emergency services, etc

and you could choose where your money went to.. you couldn't complain about what branches I choose to send my tax money to etc..

but it'll never happen - since thats what out senators/house reps/congressman etc are SUPPOSED to do - vote for money to go where the people they represent think it should go..

Totally agreed and they call that a, "True Democracy." Look up the definition, but it is more utopian, as I know of no modern government that runs itself that way or ever has. But this representative form of government they disgiuse with the term, "Democracy" is a farse; contemporary Monarchies have far more individual choice than do we.

the most efficient gov't is really a straight up monarchy - you just better hope the monarch has your best interests in mind - aka "bloody peasant"

[EBSB52]

The amount of taxes paid really reflects your income, what your house is worth, and how much you spend on consumer items. All items purchased for the most part are subjected to 15% tax in Ontario. Land tax is also expensive depending upon where you live and so on. After it’s all said and done we probably do pay 50% in taxes, but the services are good. We don't have a great military like you do, we don't have those expenses, we also don't feel the need to participate in useless wars. But then again we are two different nations with two different outlooks.

We are at the bottom of the power hierarchy, while you are at the top, I guess with power comes cost, maybe that’s where it goes.

I bet we pay 50% by the time you get done with all taxes, or damn near. Canada is a beautiful country, clean streets, friendly people. If it weren't for the cold I would have been there decades ago. My A&P license is fully trasferable, so I could find work and then deny being an American... what's up hoser, eh? I remember driving over the bridge from Detriot to whatever city resides accross the bridge and coming out of trash dirty hell to some utopian place. I was only 19 in 1981 at that time it still has left an impression on me: Canada was a beautiful place and I doubt it has changed. I visited Vancouver, BC several times over the years and feel it is fine too.

As for military costs, that probably addresses some of the disparities involved. I think the general atmosphere of tax cuts for the rich and taxes for the poor is also a huge factor. I hate to think I have wasted a lot of my life in such a country as this.

We are at the bottom of the power hierarchy, while you are at the top, I guess with power comes cost, maybe that’s where it goes.

Sweeden is lower in the power hierarchy than Canada, but neither are hated around the world, so no need to spend your healthcare money on $2 billion B2 Bombers.

Also, with power comes responsibility and we have failed miserably. But so did Japan and Germany before WWII and the world straightened them out.

[EBSB52]

I just hate people bitching in general. I was at OSH the other day (hardware store) and I had about $150 worth of stuff in my cart, but I had all the UPC codes facing the cashier ready to be scanned, had my debut card in hand ready to swipe, the whole search and destroy thing. Well, sure enough the people behind me started talking. "Every time I get in a line, it is the slowest one."

So I say to the cashier "Every time I get in line, I've got to listen to someone bitch and complain." It was great. She and I had a full conversation about that as we checked out my stuff, and I could see the whiner behind me shrinking.

Good for you, aaron. Public whining is noise pollution of the worst kind. Tooks some balls to speak up. I hope you continue to do it, and try not to get your ass kicked by the "old lady's" (Calm Eb, haven't you ever misread something? Oh, that's right, you're Jesus.) husband.

I just hate people bitching in general.

Unless it’s you bitching about your forum being moderated. You’re exempt from your own rules, part of being a dictator.

… had my debut card in hand ready to swipe,…

So it was a new card, just making it’s debut? Just J/K’n man, don’t go off in a tangent.

I hope you continue to do it, and try not to get your ass kicked by the "old lady's" (Calm Eb, haven't you ever misread something? Oh, that's right, you're Jesus.) husband.

Who ever mentioned anything about a husband until now? What are ya smoking? I’m just unsure how old Aaron could be if he thinks 27-33 is old. There ya go Stinky, play politician to expand your fan base.

Also, the attitude of dissent is very important. Now I don’t care about people bitching in line and don’t care to defend that, but for you say: “I just hate people bitching in generalâ€

[The Dark Side of Will]

The city being able to install cameras at traffic signals to save us time.

Negative, ghost rider. They install red light cameras to be better able to extort money from you.