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Shaun - cite your source, it's all just rumor-mongering.Shaun41178(2) wrote:Well Dave, since you won't answer my question and everyone elses, I will just go ahead and assume that your 430 claimed hp engine only dynoed 297 to the wheels based on what members from .nl said who are freinds with V8Archie.
..and another disgrace to the V8 Fiero world. My apoliges to anyone else who happens to find this clown's post through a search engine.crazyd wrote:MNFatz wrote:Dude, that sucks.crazyd wrote: MN - The engine in my car wasn't one of the serial-numbered, limited-run GM-built units, those were all sold in 1998 and were carbureted.
No, Dave. It's not technically a clone, it IS a clone. I really wish you wouldn't represent it as a ZZ430 if it isn't one. All it does is add to the crappy reputation V8 owners already have.
Yes, the originals were balanced, blueprinted and assembled by teams of builders at GMPP. Instead of being assembled on an assembly 'line', each engine was built in teams-the same small group assembled it from crank to carb. After they were done, the engine was dyno'd to confirm it made it's advertised horsepower and shipped with a copy of that very dynosheet .
Slapping anything on any motor and calling it a ZZ430 if it isn't one--now that's a fake.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Man, you've picked the wrong guy to start a fight with. With something that should start out so simple, I've got this armchair keyboard jockey calling me a fraud over yet another trivial detail about whether an engine's name is still its name if its pedigree doesn't match up to the press release from GM's marketing department. It's time for the beacon of reality. As Will's dark side has so eloquently stated elsewhere, "you need a more advanced bullshit filter, dude." Those 430 engines were a gimmick from the marketing department, with pretty words in the press release "written by people with fine arts degrees condescending to the public" to give them a reason to spend more on something than it's worth. GM's marketing hacks do this all the time because it's their job to convince you that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts when they have to sell something they've put together from the public parts bin. And apparently, you're their tool. So tell me Mr. Fatz, is a Northstar still a Northstar if it has been rebuilt? Does that make it a Northstar "clone"? What if you put a different cam in it, or do something as simple as replace the PCV valve or use non-GM oil? Should we still call that a Northstar? Does it really matter? Nobody cares, dude. I have a difficult enough time explaining what a Fiero is to the unwashed masses, much less trying to explain what a ZZ430 is. Now quit your callow nitpicking before you really piss me off.
No, I haven't. I've made posers alot smarter than you look alot less stupid.crazyd wrote: Man, you've picked the wrong guy to start a fight with.
No, it makes it a rebuilt Northstar. If you rebuild a ZZ430, you have a rebuilt ZZ430. When you rebuild your fake ZZ430, you'll have a rebuilt fake ZZ430 (well, a hopped up ZZ4, but if you'd rather tell people you have a rebuilt fake zz430, that's up to you).crazyd wrote: So tell me Mr. Fatz, is a Northstar still a Northstar if it has been rebuilt? Does that make it a Northstar "clone"?
No, you should call it a NorthStar with a cam in it like the rest of the world does. Brag about what oil you use if you must, I couldn't care less.crazyd wrote: What if you put a different cam in it, or do something as simple as replace the PCV valve or use non-GM oil? Should we still call that a Northstar?
I'll bet that because you're lying to them about your engine. Tell them you have a hopped up ZZ4 in a Fiero (which dyno'd at a respectably 300 WHP) and you might find it easier.crazyd wrote: I have a difficult enough time explaining what a Fiero is to the unwashed masses, much less trying to explain what a ZZ430 is. Now quit your callow nitpicking before you really piss me off.
(Back to a technical discussion here....)crazyd wrote:
My BLMs are currently at 110, and until I see that come a lot closer to 128, it would be counterproductive to do a dyno run.
Actually, LS1 C5s along with most SLP LS1 F-bodies put down consistent 330s.crazyd wrote: Even if my car had dynoed 297 to the wheels, I certainly wouldn't be embarrassed about it. That's what most LS1 C5's do, and that's what my goal was anyway, since this was supposed to be an LS1 in the first place.
I knew it would come to this. I told you not to insult me, because you have no idea what I've been through with this car. Now you're going to find out.You didn't even have the talent to do the swap yourself so you had to have Archee do it for you.
Here's what I can tell you.The Dark Side of Will wrote:Thanks for joining and posting, Dave.
I ALWAYS want to hear things straight from the source. I think that this is important for the integrity of this forum as a technical resource.
I think that if the problems you encountered could be stumbling blocks to others, then they ought to be brought to light. If you have a problem with a *person* rather than an aspect of your car, that is, of course, between the two of you, but I'd like to hear about the car related problems you've had.
I'd also like to hear about what's different in your swap.
This site will answer all your questions:Red wrote:(Back to a technical discussion here....)crazyd wrote:
My BLMs are currently at 110, and until I see that come a lot closer to 128, it would be counterproductive to do a dyno run.
What factors influence the BLM value? What type of things would make it closer to 128?
Also, while on this subject, anyone care to shed some light on what the integrator and cell numbers do in an ECM and what factors influence their values?
We always used a temp dependent figure between 6.7 & 7 for jet fuel, which isn't too far from gasoline.crazyd wrote:Dunno why you're saying I put oil in my gas tank, but I have gasoline in it, and gasoline only weighs 6#/gal. :scratch:The Dark Side of Will wrote:Petroleum is about 7#/gal (water is, so an 11.5 gallon tank adds about 80# to the car's weight... just enough for an empty tank to make a difference in the 1/4 mile.
What kind of scale?aaron88 wrote:Boy, are we ever off topic!
88 GT, Northstar, Getrag 282, PW, PL, PM, no spare tire, about 1/2 tank of gas, 180 lb driver.
Scale accurate within 10 lb.
1300 lb, Front 44%
1660 lb, Rear 56%
2940 lb, total 100%
Minus driver, 2760 lb total.
About 400 lb's too much if you ask me.
Chase Race wrote:The scales:
I do not know how accurate the total weights are, but for my normal purposes the connsistancy is what matters so I haven't upgraded to the good digital scales yet.
