crazyd wrote:MNFatz wrote:
crazyd wrote:
MN - The engine in my car wasn't one of the serial-numbered, limited-run GM-built units, those were all sold in 1998 and were carbureted.
Dude, that sucks.
No, Dave. It's not technically a clone, it IS a clone. I really wish you wouldn't represent it as a ZZ430 if it isn't one. All it does is add to the crappy reputation V8 owners already have.
Yes, the originals were balanced, blueprinted and assembled by teams of builders at GMPP. Instead of being assembled on an assembly 'line', each engine was built in teams-the same small group assembled it from crank to carb. After they were done, the engine was dyno'd to confirm it made it's advertised horsepower and shipped with a copy of that very dynosheet .
Slapping anything on any motor and calling it a ZZ430 if it isn't one--now that's a fake.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Man, you've picked the wrong guy to start a fight with. With something that should start out so simple, I've got this armchair keyboard jockey calling me a fraud over yet another trivial detail about whether an engine's name is still its name if its pedigree doesn't match up to the press release from GM's marketing department. It's time for the beacon of reality. As Will's dark side has so eloquently stated
elsewhere, "you need a more advanced bullshit filter, dude." Those 430 engines were a gimmick from the marketing department, with pretty words in the press release "written by people with fine arts degrees condescending to the public" to give them a reason to spend more on something than it's worth. GM's marketing hacks do this all the time because it's their job to convince you that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts when they have to sell something they've put together from the public parts bin. And apparently, you're their tool. So tell me Mr. Fatz, is a Northstar still a Northstar if it has been rebuilt? Does that make it a Northstar "clone"? What if you put a different cam in it, or do something as simple as replace the PCV valve or use non-GM oil? Should we still call that a Northstar? Does it really matter? Nobody cares, dude. I have a difficult enough time explaining what a Fiero is to the unwashed masses, much less trying to explain what a ZZ430 is. Now quit your callow nitpicking before you
really piss me off.
..and another disgrace to the V8 Fiero world. My apoliges to anyone else who happens to find this clown's post through a search engine.
Translation: You're a poser driving a Fake ZZ430.
You didn't even have the talent to do the swap yourself so you had to have Archee do it for you.
crazyd wrote:
Man, you've picked the wrong guy to start a fight with.
No, I haven't. I've made posers alot smarter than you look alot less stupid.
Now. Let's address your individual claims.
crazyd wrote:
So tell me Mr. Fatz, is a Northstar still a Northstar if it has been rebuilt? Does that make it a Northstar "clone"?
No, it makes it a rebuilt Northstar. If you rebuild a ZZ430, you have a rebuilt ZZ430. When you rebuild your fake ZZ430, you'll have a rebuilt fake ZZ430 (well, a hopped up ZZ4, but if you'd rather tell people you have a rebuilt fake zz430, that's up to you).
crazyd wrote:
What if you put a different cam in it, or do something as simple as replace the PCV valve or use non-GM oil? Should we still call that a Northstar?
No, you should call it a NorthStar with a cam in it like the rest of the world does. Brag about what oil you use if you must, I couldn't care less.
crazyd wrote:
I have a difficult enough time explaining what a Fiero is to the unwashed masses, much less trying to explain what a ZZ430 is. Now quit your callow nitpicking before you really piss me off.
I'll bet that because you're
lying to them about your engine. Tell them you have a hopped up ZZ4 in a Fiero (which dyno'd at a respectably 300 WHP) and you might find it easier.
I'm not going to respond to you anymore--but the minute you try to claim to anyone on this site that you're driving a ZZ430 I'll be there to make sure they know the truth. I hope you drop the act and stick around because I'd like to know about your car.
Here's a link to an auction for a real ZZ430 incidentally. Serial number #087. They want $12,000.00 for it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZZ430-CR ... enameZWDVW
The choice is yours,
-Fatz
p.s. I bet that
really pisses you off.
Will: I'd appreciate it if you let this post stay.