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Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 10:26 am
by The Dark Side of Will
I snagged some "Inferno Seal" muffler cement from AutoZone to use in setting the insert instead of Loctite.
I cleaned the hole and the insert and did a beautiful job of setting the insert.
I clipped the gasket onto the flange and found that the hole in the flange was off from the hole in the gasket by about half the hole diameter. :roll:

Ok, so the baboon or orangutan who worked on it before I owned it broke off the bolt that went into that hole, then tried to drill it out, but drilled at the edge of the bolt instead of the center. He installed a helicoil (there were remnants of threads in the large hole), then tried to assemble. He saw that the hole was off, so he ripped the helicoil back out and drilled the hole even larger until he could fit an M6 bolt through and put a nut on the far side. :roll:

It would have been great for me to have inspected that flange more closely months ago... as I could have repaired it while waiting for the intake manifolds or something. Oh well.

The only practical repair at this point is to replace the exhaust manifold. I found one used on eBay and ordered it over the weekend. I removed the damaged manifold quite easily, although it was awkward. I sprayed down the nuts holding to the head, let that soak for a couple of hours, then came back and tried the nuts. Five of the six were seized to their studs, but the studs unscrewed easily. The 5th one came off the stud but was stiff.

Given how easy it was for me to remove the manifold, old boy probably spent FAR more time screwing up drilling that bolt out than it would have taken to remove the manifold and repair it on the bench or take it to a machine shop. If he had it on the bench and screwed it up that badly, he really was a baboon.

Also, one of the bolt holes in the exhaust Y-pipe where it connected to the turbo was damaged and had a stud brazed into it... This was a not a low-skilled individual... he just had poor judgement about how to repair things.

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:24 pm
by The Dark Side of Will
Finally made significant progress last weekend.
I installed the eBay exhaust manifold, then re-re-re-re-installed the turbo and it finally stayed installed.

Then I found that I didn't really want to finish the new heater hose assemblies with conventional hose clamps, so I waited ONE MORE weekend :roll: for some Gates PowerGrip heat shrink hose clamps.

For installing the new hose assemblies, I also found that Mopar used some "latch open" constant tension spring clamps. I did some digging and came up with ACDelco part numbers for a couple different styles of those clamps. However, I did not find a listing that equates hose size to part number. I emailed ACDelco from their website, but have not heard back yet. I have enough OE clamps from the Jeep's heater pipe assembly to install my hose assemblies, so I will be able to finish putting it together... just not with new clamps.

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:18 pm
by Shaun41178(2)
Forward progress

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:44 am
by The Dark Side of Will
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:24 pm then re-re-re-re-installed the turbo and it finally stayed installed.
Well that was a stupid thing to say before I started the engine.
I found that one of the brackets I had left over used two intake manifold bolts, one of which was right under the compressor discharge... so the turbo had to come back off.

I was able to get everything torqued and installed, though. I built new heater hoses from CarQuest (Gates) bulk hose and a couple of T's and joiners. I used Gates "PowerGrip" heat shrink hose clamps to make semi-permanent assemblies. I re-filled it with Shell Rotella Nitrite Free ELC for "heavy duty" applications.

And I finally started that damned thing late Sunday of last weekend. Bleeding the air out of the fuel rail took 30-40 cranks. I was feeling kind of sorry for the starter, but it eventually stumbled to life and was able to finish purging the rail on its own. It runs 4500-5000 psi of fuel pressure at idle, so purging the air is extremely important to being able to bring the pressure up during the auto-crank sequence (<10 seconds).

Other than a #2 injector circuit code, which was just from me not fully seating the electrical connector, it's been running fine. I have not yet uploaded the TuneZilla tune... It sets a code for insufficient EGR flow, but does not go into reduced power mode. I am using CB Engineering's swirl flap motor eliminator and EGR eliminator electrical plugs. It would complain a lot more if I didn't have those.

Since the AC accumulator valve and low side valve were both leaking, I replaced the AC accumulator while I had the air filter out. I had my dad take it to the local shop to add make-up oil accounting for the accumulator replacement and to replace the low side valve and recharge the AC. I think they replaced the brand new high side valve in the new accumulator and left the low side valve alone... Not sure if the charge leaked down fast or they just didn't charge it correctly... and the valve was still blowing visible bubbles of refrigerant in system oil, neither of which should be in the valve core.

Anyway... it's running and the AC will probably be fixed this week. I'm taking a vacay and then doing some Navy orders, so I won't be back until the third weekend of July.

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:34 am
by The Dark Side of Will
Still runs great, but the shop is hunting an AC leak... My dad didn't tell them I replaced the accumulator, as the obvious place for a leak would be the joints that were opened.

I'm on Navy orders this weekend and next week, so I'm not missing utility out of it.

Going to need to let it idle in a place for a while to see if it still drips oil

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:30 am
by The Dark Side of Will
Ok... here goes the giant post.

What I set out to do was an oil cooler reseal, putting everything back to stock. What I ended up doing was inventing a Sprinter manifold conversion for passenger car OM642s. There was an amount of scope creep involved.

In looking at the volume of material, I'm going to break this up into four groups totaling seven big posts: Disassembly to access the oil cooler, Oil cooler re-seal, The Sprinter manifold conversion, and fixing the handiwork of the baboon who worked on it before me.

1. Disassembly to Access the Oil Cooler

Across all applications, the OM642 *long block* is the same in a given year; I didn't even try to audit long block changes by year. All versions have an aluminum block and aluminum heads. There are two major families of applications that use different sets of parts added onto the basic long block: van and passenger car(*). The two have different intake manifolds, intake splitter necks, EGR systems, heater connections and low pressure fuel piping (and probably a bunch of other differences I didn't catch). The exhaust manifolds appear to be the same, although there were several different versions of the turbo Y-pipe that connects them to the turbine inlet.

(*)The Benz parts look up shows Passenger Car, Cross-country Vehicle, Van and Smart as the their four major product families. The Cross-Country Vehicle is the G-class. I do not know if the G-class config of the engine differs from either the passenger car or van configs or in what ways it may be different. I have not heard of the G-class config having specific parts so I conjecture that it uses the passenger car engine family.

The OM642 was introduced in 2007, and is STILL in production. It was used extensively across the Mercedes-Benz product line in E-class, S-class, R-class, G-class, GL-class, GLK-class, ML-class and probably more models that I'm missing. Its use in passenger cars has been superseded by newer engines, but it is still used in vans. Obviously the van versions have been used in Dodge, Freightliner and Mercedes-Benz Sprinters for 17 years. The engine is designed to spend its entire half-million kilometer service life pulling a 20,000# Sprinter based bus over the Austrian Alps. It's been offered from the factory with outputs as high as 261 HP and 457 ftlbs. In the WK it's about 215 HP and 376 ftlbs.

Since it has such a long production history with such a broad range of model applications, there are approximately 14,000,605 configurations listed in the Benz ISPPI After-Sales Platform.

The very first time I realized I needed to order a particular widget for this engine, I realized that I would need to look up what engine configuration I had. There is a 197 page diesel addendum to the 7199 page WK service manual. Seriously, the WK service manual is nearly 7200 pages and almost 150 megabytes as a .pdf. The diesel addendum in fact has a section on engine identification. The engine identification code is stamped into the forward face of the block just below the left cylinder head deck surface. That's below the overhanging high pressure pump and really F@#$%ing hard to see with the engine in the vehicle. The engine code includes the three digit model code (642...), the three digit configuration code, the one digit plant code and a seven digit serial number. Also stamped on the front of the block are a four digit code for the select-fit main bearings and a six digit code for the select fit piston sizes. No over-boring is permitted per the factory literature, so if you find a bore out of spec, replace the block. A truly German solution.

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If you think that's difficult to read in this situation, you would be correct. My configuration code, and I suspect the same for all WKs, is 980. This is the example code shown in the manual addendum, including a callout noting "980 = WH". I think a WH is either a RHD WK or just a non-US WK.

The Benz ISPPI does *not* list a 980 configuration. :roll: Of course not! Why would a Benz database list a configuration for a Benz engine? Even though it was used in a Jeep, they were the same company when it was built! This made me a little circumspect about ordering parts. Fortunately I didn't have to order many.

Getting into actually taking things apart... Here's how it started:

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Because it had been leaking oil for thousands of miles and was covered in filth and grime, I cleaned it up a bit before I started. I just left it running while I sprayed it down with the low pressure setting on a wand-type car wash.
To say this engine is... intricate... is in contention for the understatement of the century. Everything overlaps everything else. Efficient disassembly and reassembly is extremely dependent on order of operations. The diesel addendum does not cover these operations in sufficient detail. The factory assembly instructions must be extensive.

For me an important aspect of this operation was to remove the fewest possible components of the high pressure fuel system in order to reduce the number of fittings I'd have to protect from FOD while I had the system apart, which I was sure would be at least a few weeks. The system runs ~4500 psi of fuel pressure at idle and 23,000 psi at WOT; it's very sensitive to FOD. Leaving the fuel rails installed was slightly inconvenient for later operations, but not a big deal. Removing the high pressure crossover tube without completely removing the rails was awkward. I had to unbolt the rails from the valve covers and slightly flex the high pressure lines from the rails to the injectors in order to have enough clearance to remove the crossover. I also left the harness in place, partly because it would just have been much more inconvenient to remove; partly to give myself a chance at getting everything plugged back in right; partly because some of the connectors had been mis-routed by some baboon working on it before me, making the harness look more difficult to remove than it would have been.

Here are a couple of shots of initial disassembly:

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This one was my fault. Keeping the o-ring between the compressor outlet and charge tube in place during assembly is apparently quite difficult. Oddly enough, this did not give me an underboost code. On eventual reassembly, I used the hook end of a cotter pin puller to poke the new o-ring back into place when it tried to do exactly the same thing.

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Widgets and brackets and doodads, oh my!

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In trying to take all the small stuff off first without taking big steps to take things apart, it quickly becomes apparent that you can not actually take very much off before you must remove the turbo to make any further progress. So I got started removing the turbo. I watched a couple of YouTube videos covering turbo removal with the engine in a W211 or W212 E-class. The firewall in that body is vertical behind the turbo, making access to the Y-pipe bolts not exactly easy, but feasible. In the WK body, the cowl/HVAC intake overhangs the turbo, making access much more difficult and much more fussy.

The turbo heat shield sits on the right on a bracket that also supports the transmission dipstick tube; on the left on the EGR valve. The heat shield is awkward to remove because the cowl is close and the shield needs to be sprung out of shape a little bit to come out.

There are three bolts/studs/nuts holding the turbine outlet elbow to the turbo (E12 or hex M8x1.25mm) and a V-band clamp with a 13mm nut securing the outlet elbow to the pre-cat. There are three bolts holding each manifold to the turbo Y-pipe (E12 head M8x1.25mm). There are two bolts at each end of the EGR tube holding it to the Y-pipe and left intake manifold (E10 head M6x1.0mm). There is a bracket bolted to the Y-pipe which has two vertical bolts attaching it to the bellhousing ring on the engine block (E12 head M8x1.25mm). And lastly, there are two bolts attaching the turbo to the turbo pedestal (T40 head M8x1.25mm shoulder bolts). Pressurized oil is delivered to the turbo through the turbo pedestal, and effluent oil also drains back through the pedestal. Pretty much every bolt requires a different combo of extensions to access it. One of the 8mm bolts between the right exhaust manifold and the Y-pipe had been replaced by an M6 through-bolt with a nut on the back. At disassembly, I assumed that some baboon in the vehicle's history had simply lost the correct bolt and replaced it with what they had. This assumption would come back to bite me later.

There is an electrical connection to the variable turbine nozzle actuator which obviously needs to be unplugged first as well.

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But it finally comes out

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Note that in this photo, the previous baboon had left out the bolts attaching the bracket to the Y-pipe. This was dumb, as the easier removal is via the bolts holding the bracket to the block. The bracket should come out with the Y-pipe.

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One of the E10 head M6 bolts holding the EGR tube flange to the Y-pipe rounded off in situ. I used a chisel to cut the EGR pipe off at the flange. Once I had the Y-pipe out, I was able to rotate the flange to loosen the bolt.

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I did a few steps before I took another photo, but those steps are straightforward disassembly. The OM642 has a cam driven vacuum pump on the right cylinder head, more or less mirroring the timing chain-driven high pressure fuel pump on the left cylinder head. In a WK, the vacuum pump must be removed in order to have space through which to remove the intake splitter neck. The alternative is blowing down the AC and removing the AC tubes from the engine bay... and then having the protect the AC system from FOD for the remainder of the job. There is a bracket on the exhaust side of the right cylinder head that supports the "normally-open" (NO) throttle at the end of the intake splitter neck. That bracket is somewhat fussy to access, but overall intake neck removal is not difficult.

The thermostat mechanism is integrated into the thermostat neck and is not a separate part. The thermostat neck can be unbolted at this point as well. Obvi that involves draining the coolant. That's easy, as there's a hand-operated drain petcock built into the factory radiator. The shape of the EGR cooler makes the entire cooler a local low spot in the cooling system, so it does *NOT* drain when the rest of the system does. A little coolant remained in the intakes as well, probably because the vehicle was tilted a little to the right as I was working on it.

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The high pressure fuel crossover tube is still in place in this photo. To remove it, I loosened the fittings, unbolted the fuel rails from the cylinder heads, and gently pulled/pried everything apart until I could get one end of the crossover tube out. I think it is was the end angled down. I then bagged the crossover tube in a 1 gallon ziploc and wrapped the fuel rail fittings in saran wrap secured by rubber bands.

The OM642 flows coolant through the EGR cooler before it goes to the heater core; this routing probably helps it warm up more quickly on a cold start (in Finland...). The connection from the EGR portion of the left intake manifold to the heater core is at the back of the left cylinder head. There is also a smaller coolant connection between the EGR valve itself and the cylinder head that also needs to be disconnected. Electrical connections include the exhaust pressure sensor and the EGR valve itself.

Both intake manifolds, the swirl flap actuator and the EGR cooler all come out as a unit. Note that the intake manifolds have to come out to replace the swirl flap actuator. This design "feature" encourages swirl flap motor deletes when the swirl flap motor fails.

Unbolting the intake manifolds is fairly straightforward. Notice that there are 3-4 different lengths of manifold bolt. Also notice that the manifold bolts, including one from the thermostat, are M7x1.0mm. Dammit, Karl. When I took mine apart, half the bolts were in the wrong holes for their lengths, thanks to previous baboon.

Slipping pieces of cardboard in between the intake manifolds and the cylinder heads helps minimize coolant dripping out of the manifolds and EGR cooler--and into the intake ports--as you remove the assembly. After what seems like an infinite number of doodads and widgets and an incredible amount of fussiness, the assembly comes out and you have this:

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The prize is in sight!

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I don't think I snagged a photo of only the assembly of the intake manifolds with the EGR cooler... but since they didn't go back into the car, I still can!

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 am
by The Dark Side of Will
2.0 Oil Cooler Re-seal
2.1 Cleaning the Valley


Oy, that thing is filthy. In addition to grime from thousands or tens of thousands of miles of oil leak + road dirt, there was liquid oil spilled on it when I removed the turbo and liquid coolant when I removed the intake manifolds.

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So I snagged a couple of gallons of Purple Power and a basic garden sprayer. I diluted the Purple Power to its strongest recommended concentration with the hottest water that the water heater could make.

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I wiped down the cylinder head mating surfaces and covered the intake ports with gorilla tape before I really worked at it. I managed to get it to about this condition without terrible effort. I reinstalled the turbo pedestal to close out the oil passages and keep the scunge coming off the engine out of the oil system.

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With enough scrubbing, I brought it to this state

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TEN bolts holding the cooler down. The OE Torx fasteners for the oil cooler were somewhat corroded and degraded. I was concerned that one or more would round out as I was removing them initially, but none did.

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When I removed it, I was surprised to find that it already had the replacement purple seals. The original failure-prone seals were orange. Hmmm. I wasn't about to go through all that without installing the new seals I bought, but still interesting.

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And then there was this...

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I have a scribe poked into the drain hole at the back of the valley. It makes sure that the water (and hopefully not engine fluids :roll: ) which inevitably finds this space has a way out

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Dammit, Karl, why is this not just a flat surface with all these intricate weight relief features INSIDE the crank case?

Here's how the drain was supposed to work... it wasn't at first.

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I ordered these from McMaster to plug the supply & return holes for the cooler, and the supply and drain holes for the turbo pedestal.
https://www.mcmaster.com/9545K38/
https://www.mcmaster.com/2605K31/
https://www.mcmaster.com/2605K57/

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Having those in place let me really get to work without worrying about FOD. You'll see them in place in following photos.

This photo is in process of cleaning out the valley... you can see that the cavities all over the place are trapping water as I'm trying to scrub everything down to look shiny and new. More on that in a minute. You can see a couple of the rubber plugs in place as well.

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WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 am
by The Dark Side of Will
2.0 Oil Cooler Re-Seal
2.2 Valley Drainage

A couple of valley cleaning photos showing the drainage "network"... another completely German way of making something that should be easy complicated.
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 am 2.0 Oil Cooler Re-seal
2.1 Cleaning the Valley

Here's how the drain was supposed to work... it wasn't at first.

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I looked at all the work I'd put into scrubbing the engine to clean the valley and, being the absolute fucking *PSYCHO* that I am, I ended up wire brushing and Cerakoting the entire valley in order to keep it shiny and easy to clean in the future (GDMF I want never to have to do this again though).

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You can see that the casting geometry in the valley is very "lumpy" and has a lot of *intricate* features that trap fluid and make it difficult to clean or brush.

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Still manifesting my inner psycho, I decided to do something about some of those divots that held water. I was able to add a couple of them to Benz' original drainage system.

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Maybe if I could see the engine out of the vehicle, I'd be able to verify if it's ok to drill a hole here or not... A couple of these cavities at the back of the block perhaps could be drilled directly into the bellhousing volume, but I didn't have enough visibility of both sides of the structure to be comfortable drilling like that.

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I'm particularly fond of this as evidence of my psychosis.
The only access to the location to drill this hole is from above... meaning that the drilled drain hole would slope UP from the area to be drained to the area draining to. That's no good. I started the hole just enough to capture the drill point, then used an ultra long drill bit. Because the drill bit was small (3/16"?) I was able to flex it while drilling, with the point captured in the hole start. Flexing the drill bit in use allowed me to drill UP from the valley to the divot to be drained, and my new drain hole had the right slope. Cleaned it up a little bit with a Dremel and there it is.

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Next I took a small flat file and filed out the bottom "corners" of Benz' original valley drain hole to help it with that last little bit of fluid in the valley. Tremendously effective? Probably not, but I do not ever want to be in here again, so I don't want my OCD whispering "You should have taken the extra 5 minutes to... "

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WK Grand Cherokee Diesel -2.3 Placeholder

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 am
by The Dark Side of Will
2.0 Oil Cooler Re-seal
2.3 Cerakote and Oil Cooler Reinstallation

And here we are, perfected, ready for preservation

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I bought a $30 Harbor Freight spray gun, a cheap regulator, a couple of hoses and a sampler of Cerakote MC5100 and went to town.
You can see this series was post-spray by the little glints from pooled Cerakote in the bottoms of all the divots and cavities

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The singular screw is in place to prevent the Cerakote from puddling inside the bolt hole.

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And after drying overnight.

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If I'd known it was going to chalk like this, I'd have put a smidge more effort into dabbing up the puddled coating in the bottoms of the cavities and divots with Q-tips or something. Oh well. For my first time ever using a spray gun and my first time spraying my own Cerakote, I think it came out just fine. :-D

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The oil cooler was next. There's some controversy over whether the cooler should be replaced or not, due to the potential for FOD in the engine oil system. I cleaned mine as thoroughly as I could with brake cleaner, Purple Power, and just plain Dawn dish detergent. Water coming out both sides was as clean as water going in. There should never be anything in the oil cooler that wasn't put there by engine oil in the first place, so getting it clean enough to re-use shouldn't be a miracle... as long as you're paying attention to the potential to FOD the oil system throughout the rest of your activities for this job.

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Oil cooler installed for a "test fit", with a little condensate water that dribbled down from the hood as I opened it beading on the Cerakoted engine block.

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Because the OE fasteners were sketchy on removal, I replaced them with ARP external 12 point polished stainless bolts. IIRC, the OE bolts were 19mm and slightly tapered in the last few threads. 20mm ARP bolts didn't quite screw all the way in. The holes were deep enough, but Benz had apparently tapped them with a plug tap or similar. I had to run a bottoming tap into all the holes to get the ARP bolts to thread all the way in. I did check to make sure that they were threading in far enough to actually CLAMP the cooler flange, not just put a little friction on it.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND the oil cooler reseal is complete:

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WK Grand Cherokee Diesel -2 (Temp)

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:34 am
by ericjon262
and all this was easier than putting the eagle together? :-D

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:27 pm
by The Dark Side of Will
ericjon262 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:34 am and all this was easier than putting the eagle together? :-D
In hindsight, this was the wrong VIN to buy for easy *anything*.

Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:06 pm
by The Dark Side of Will
3.0 The Sprinter manifold conversion
3.1 Manifold Description, Comparison & Modification

Now... here's the fun part. I had initially intended just to reassemble everything back to stock. I should have known better about myself. I pulled the intake neck and manifolds and found they were coated with a heavier layer of EGR/PCV grime than I'd ever seen in a gasoline engine. I was so put off by the obscene layer of sludge that the EGR/PCV combo deposited inside the entire intake tract that I decided I needed to completely get rid of that shit before I put the engine back together.

As I was taking the old parts off, and a little before I pulled the manifolds to find the grime, I was researching options available for "while I'm in there". The swirl flap/swirl motor delete is popular, since the swirl flap motors frequently fail and replacing them involves most of the same work as resealing the oil cooler. A swirl flap delete seemed like a no-brainer, since it had no performance impact and improved reliability.

The OM642 has an intake port for every intake valve. The swirl flap system uses 6 butterflies to close one of the two ports in every cylinder at low RPM/low load in order to increase swirl in the chambers. There are bosses cast into the manifolds which have drillings for vertical shafts which turn the butterflies. Thus to delete the swirl flaps without having a boost leak in every cylinder, the bores for the butterfly shafts must be plugged or welded.

CB Engineering kept popping up as a company that does swirl flap deletes, so I started looking at their product offerings. Their swirl flap delete service removes the swirl flap butterflies and shafts and welds up the remaining holes. They also have porting services for the intake manifolds and a port/polish offering for the turbo Y-pipe. "Porting" for the intakes is a pretty minimal affair. The intake manifolds are basically log plena that bolt directly to the cylinder head. Only about 3/8" of the runner is in the intake manifold before it opens into the plenum, so opening those holes up is a pretty simple bit of machining... which was also reflected in their price. CB also offers various EGR kits.

As I looked through their offerings, I saw different manifold styles from different applications.
Here are the 2007-2009 WK & Benz passenger car OM642 manifolds: https://cb-engineer.com/products/jeep-c ... port-match
There is a separate listing for 2010+ Ben passenger car manifolds: https://cb-engineer.com/products/2009-m ... port-match (Even though it uses the same photo)

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I thought they used to have Sprinter manifold offerings, but maybe not anymore. The item to notice about the passenger car manifolds is that the left manifold (upper in the photo above) has extra "junk" at the rear end for the EGR valve and passages. I joke that it's a tumor, since it just grows there and none of the EGR gas passages have any communication with the intake plenum. I started looking at manifolds on eBay to use as cores and found that Sprinter manifolds do NOT have this extra junk.

Well... sort of. 2007-2009 van manifolds have a vestigial unmachined EGR tumor. Why did Benz buy that extra aluminum and then do nothing with it? I don't know. The 2010+ van manifolds were finally cast without the EGR tumor at all. I started scouring eBay for 2010+ van manifolds and found a pair of NEW manifolds WITHOUT swirl flap machining coming out of Germany. I started calling them "everything delete" manifolds. I don't know if they were for Romanian or some other non-EU market, but I'm just happy they exist.

A6420907837 Right
A6420906737 Left
https://mbparts.mbusa.com/oem-parts/mer ... 6420906737
This actual Mercedes-Benz listing specifies "Without EPA10 low-emission". I thought I had found a similar listing for the right manifold, but my notes appear to be incomplete :(
So I ordered a pair of those manifolds from eBay Europe.

And here they are. It's not as apparent on the "seasoned" manifolds, but on the new manifolds, the surface finish shows that it's a lost foam casting, which I thought was pretty interesting.

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Starting with comparing the left manifolds, as those are where the big differences are:

Upside down vs installation in the vehicle. The EGR cooler still attached to the original manifold. In addition to missing the EGR tumor entirely, the new manifold does not have provisions for any of the connections to the EGR cooler.

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Oriented as they would be installed in the vehicle. You can see that the EGR cooler is a local low spot in the cooling system that is impossible to drain, except all over the engine as you remove the manifold.

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Look, Ma! No swirl flaps!

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This shows the areas that start to be problems. The van manifold has the outlet going to the heater core in the same vicinity on the casting as the original manifold has the EGR cooler connection... but the van manifold's heater connection is on the top vs. the bottom.

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The differences in the right manifolds are pretty straightforward. The Benz thermostat neck is cast with a fancy clip-in connection for the radiator hose. The Jeep thermostat neck just has a 1.5" hose nipple cast into the end. The thermostat itself is integral with the thermostat housing, so I had to keep the Jeep thermostat.

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Back to the left manifold... here's where things start to get fun

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The van manifold has the heater connection where there's nothing on the passenger car manifold. This by itself isn't so bad, but the heater connection interferes with the passenger car low pressure fuel lines.

Following removal of the hose nipple. If I remove this hose nipple and I don't have the EGR tumor to connect the original heater plumbing, where am I going to get coolant for the heater? That's a problem for future William, who is older and wiser than I am.

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And a fit check with the passenger car fuel lines

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Oooops. Well that needs some work. Why can't I run the van low pressure fuel lines, which are obviously designed to avoid this location, yet also connect to exactly the same locations for the fuel filter, injector return fuel, HPFP inlet and HPFP return? I actually bought a set on eBay and tried... the connections on the vehicle end swing too wide from the valve cover and interfere with Mopar's rack of electrical power distribution components that sit on top of the left front wheel house and shock tower... and might even interfere with the shock tower itself.

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So I threw it on a Bridgeport and went to work

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And now it fits!

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In the process of removing (mangling) the very stubborn heater hose nipple, I dinged the mating surface of the manifold. The intake manifold gaskets are sheet metal with a very minimal elastomer layer, so I had to fix the ding. I took the manifolds to a local machine shop. In addition to making a plug for the heater connection and welding it in place, they also stoned down the burr I raised when I dinged the surface. However, when I got the manifolds back, I noticed that one of the mating surfaces was wavy. No one knew how that happened, so it may have been a quality escape or rejection at the factory, and potentially the reason this pair was on eBay... which the seller "forgot" to mention. So I had the shop use their profilometer to measure the surface finish on the good manifold (21RA) and resurface the wavy one to meet or exceed (they hit 17RA)

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Then... because I'm still a psycho... I wire brushed and cerakoted them.

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Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:18 am
by The Dark Side of Will
3.0 The Sprinter manifold conversion
3.2 Reassembly and Heater Plumbing

As I was installing the new manifolds, I discovered this. Dammit Karl. OBTW, that's anti-seize, not damaged threads.

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Here I go, starting to get things back together

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This is the CB Engineering partial EGR kit that I bought. In includes an EGR block off plate for the intake neck, an EGR block off plate for the Y-pipe, a swirl motor eliminator plug and an EGR valve eliminator plug. The block off plate for the Y-pipe includes a boss for the exhaust back pressure sensor, which is essential for operating the variable nozzle geometry on the turbine.

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Here's their work porting and polishing the Y-pipe. The Keensert that repaired the threads in one of the bolt holes joining it to the turbine housing is also visible.

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I sent the Y-pipe and turbo pedestal off to be Jet-Hot coated. I also had the local machine shop resurface the mounting surfaces of the turbo pedestal

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Here's the EGR block off plate for the intake neck

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New Vacuum pump gasket and a high pressure fuel line holder that was missing when I disassembled everything

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Which brings us to...
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:06 pm That's a problem for future William, who is older and wiser than I am.
This was a good choice on historical William's part, because that mug knocked this job out of the park.

He came up with this gizmo

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To install here

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That's the back of the left cylinder head. For reasons unknowable, Benz has a connection on the cylinder head to a piece of ~8mm tubing that has a separate coolant feed to the EGR valve. That 8mm tubing has an o-ring fitting with a hold-down tab brazed to the end of it and the hole in the head is 12mm. The new fitting installs with RTV instead of an o-ring, and thus can have a 0.375" inside diameter... which will probably be plenty to keep the heater warm, especially for east coast winters. Would it work in central Canadia? Dunno. Not super eager to try either.

Here's the Benz part that I replaced:

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This is the Benz connection to the port that I repurposed. The relatively thick o-ring means that the flow ID of the fitting is small. Since I used RTV to seal mine, I could make mine much larger.

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Here's the fussy process of figuring out exactly how the hold-down tab has to be shaped:

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With a couple more fittings added prior to final installation, it looks like it could actually do the job

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I had to install and remove the turbo about six times to get everything right.
One of those was for the left rear lifting eye and harness box support which is secured under two intake manifold bolts

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Since one of the turbo heat shield mounting tabs sits on the EGR tumor on the passenger car manifold, the van manifolds include a bracket to support that mount tab... and it wasn't obvious right away what said bracket was for... especially after I had removed it from the manifold in order to have the manifold Cerakoted.

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The WK's original heater plumbing had pre-bent and welded/brazed steel tubing that wrapped around two sides of the engine. Heater plumbing necessarily has to be specific to the body in which the engine is installed, so this sequence is specific to the WK. The tube carrying the coolant from the EGR valve to the heater core looped around behind the turbo and has the magical property of being in the way no matter what tool I was using for which bolt on the back of the engine. So I removed the steel tube assembly entirely. Instead I ran a combo of 5/8" and 3/4" CarQuest coolant hose with a formed elbow, a joiner, a couple of Ts and plenty of Gates PowerGrip heat shrink hose clamps.

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I thought I was home free for reassembly, but NAAAAAAAAAATURALLY I found one last thing in the way when I was just about to bolt on, literally, the last part. There is a bolt boss on the left van manifold which interferes with the passenger car charge pipe coming from the compressor discharge. Because the charge pipe is the only thing I've worked with that's actually, you know, visible with the hood up, I also wire brushed and Cerakoted it.

So here's the offending bolt boss and the disposable surgical towel keeping everything else clean.

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Clearance required a little more refinement than just one cut, but not a lot more than pictured here. If anyone does this swap, make sure you take that boss down first :roll: This was actually quite frustrating... if historical William had known he had to do that, then it would have been quite easily and neatly done when the manifold was bolted down to the mill table to clearance it for the fuel lines... then the cut would have been brushed and Cerakoted with everything else. Darn it, dude.

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With the Swirl Motor Eliminator and EGR Valve Eliminator plugs installed, the ECM does not know that it's missing any peripheral devices. It sets a code for "insufficient EGR flow detected", then runs perfectly normally! This is great, as it lets me shake the thing down for a few weeks before I install the TuneZilla Stage 1.5 tune that I bought to deal with the changes to the EGR system.

I'm not sure if there's a specified way to do it, but the fuel rail bled itself after 30-40 cranks. Bumping the key once triggers an auto-start sequence that cranks the engine for ~10 seconds, then stops cranking if the engine did not start. 30-40 of those cleared the air out of the fuel rail enough for the engine to have an ugly start, then clear the rest itself.

And here it is put back together after a few weeks of daily driver duty.

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Re: WK Grand Cherokee Diesel

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:57 am
by The Dark Side of Will
4. Correcting pre-existing deficiencies

Much shorter post: Things I fixed that I found wrong left by the baboon who worked on it before me.

=>Wiring harness mis-routed.
The harness wasn't put back correctly, resulting in difficulty mating some connectors, particularly the rail pressure sensor, which is absolutely essential to operate common rail fuel injection. I corrected that by pulling that branch out from under the fuel rail. However, there still might be less impactful harness mis-routings, as the cylinder #2 & #3 injectors and right bank intake cam sensor branches still pass under the right fuel rail.
At the factory, if the rails were installed first and the harness installed later, then no harness branches would route under the fuel rails. I need to revisit that harness routing at some point in the future.

Here's an example I ran into while replacing the exhaust manifold:

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=>Intake manifold bolts in the wrong locations
The intake manifold bolts are M7x1.0mm, as noted above. This by itself is insane enough, but prior baboon did not look hard enough at how thick each bolt boss on the manifolds were and how much thread engagement each bolt would have. The longest bolts are easy enough, but there are multiple shorter lengths that can be mixed up. Obvi, using a shorter bolt in a thicker flange results in between minimal and less-than-ideal thread engagement. A steel bolt, particularly a high strength bolt, needs 2d or more of thread engagement into cast aluminum in order for the thread strength to equal or exceed the strength of the bolt.

=>Stripped M6 bolts
The widgets and brackets and doodads bolted to the top of the intake manifolds were secured by M6x1.0mm bolts. Those bolts were relocated incorrectly by length just like the M7 manifold bolts. Some of those were stripped because baboons think M6 bolts are the strongest. I installed M6 helicoils into the original manifolds in the time leading up to the oil cooler re-seal and manifold conversion

=>Y-pipe stud "repair"
I don't think I have a photo of it, but there was apparently a problem with one of the bolts joining the turbo to the Y-pipe. I'm not sure if the hole in the Y-pipe was stripped or damaged or what... but prior baboon had a stud brazed into the Y-pipe to replace the bolt. I took the Y-pipe to the local machine shop to have them extract the stud and install a Keensert. New Y-pipes are like $150, so I probably *should have* just bought a new one. For some reason I have a fascination with old beat up shit that's been skillfully repaired to be "good as new".
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:18 am
Here's their work porting and polishing the Y-pipe. The Keensert that repaired the threads in one of the bolt holes joining it to the turbine housing is also visible.

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=>Exhaust manifold fuckery
This is the biggest one.
The Dark Side of Will wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:30 am One of the 8mm bolts between the right exhaust manifold and the Y-pipe had been replaced by an M6 through-bolt with a nut on the back. At disassembly, I assumed that some baboon in the vehicle's history had simply lost the correct bolt and replaced it with what they had. This assumption would come back to bite me later.
The Y-pipe to manifold flange joints use an uncoated sheet metal gasket and have the bolts install from the Y-pipe side, threading into the manifold flange.

When I disassembled everything, I did not spend enough time thinking about why this bolt substitution may have been made. When I tried to reassemble this joint, I found that an M8 bolt would just spin in the hole. In measuring the hole, I further found that it was too large for an M8 helicoil to work. Again @$$umed, this time that the original bolt had seized and/or otherwise damaged the threads.

I ordered one of theses: https://www.mcmaster.com/96026A105/ with M8 ID threads and M12 OD threads. I wire brushed the Loctite off the outside and installed the insert with "Inferno Seal" muffler cement. I did a beautiful job of it too, despite that the hole was kind of hogged out and tapered and a bit bigger than the tap drill for M12x1.75 threads.

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Then I found this:

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Well... that's not going to work.

Sooo... At this point I realized that prior baboon had:
  1. Broken the bolt in this hole
  2. Tried to drill it out, but drilled it off center
  3. Helicoiled the hole
  4. Found the hole was off center
  5. Removed the helicoil
  6. Drilled the hole out more
  7. Installed the M6 through bolt
Ok, well at this point there's nothing to do for it but replace the entire manifold. I found one from an SUV on eBay for a reasonable price and ordered it. The exhaust manifolds may be the one part of this engine that was the same for the whole production run.

The manifold is installed with six studs and nuts attaching it to the cylinder head. Five of the studs unscrewed from the head, the remaining nut unscrewed from the stud. Once the fasteners were removed, removing the manifold was awkward, but not terribly time consuming. It was probably 30 minutes total, from starting on the fasteners to having the manifold off the vehicle and in my hand(*). I also had to take loose the engine oil dipstick tube and the brackets for the DPF differential pressure sensing tubes... everything had *just enough* flex to get the manifold out without having to unbolt the engine from the mounts and lift/shift it.

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Oh, look, my one photo of my Jet-Hot coated Y-pipe! :wink:

I had enough ARP Stainless 12pt bolts that I decided to install the new manifold with bolts in place of the studs that had unscrewed. After evaluating the fastener lengths and hole depth involved, I determined I needed to run a bottoming tap into the stud holes. That was a bit awkward but came off without a hitch.

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I guess I *could have* ordered some titanium studs from www.ti64.com and installed with 316 SS nuts... maybe next time. :roll:

I installed the new manifold pretty much the same way the old one came out and it went in fine. Locating it and starting the bolts was more difficult than if I had replaced the studs, but was still doable in situ(*). Everything torqued up fine and then I had a new manifold and could get back to re-re-re-re-re-re-installing the turbo.

(*)This means that prior baboon spent more time fucking it up trying to repair it in place than it would have taken him to remove the manifold and repair it correctly on the bench.