Would this getrag fit in a l67 swap do you think

[fiero-iwan]

http://www.getrag.de/en/232


Now this looks like a dream drop in fwd dsg (dual clutch gearbox) from getrag.

Totaly different from the zero shift system wich uses a traditional manual gearbox though.
Wonder what cars these are to be found in at the wreckers;)

[Aaron]

Torque rating seems a bit low, 450Nm is like 330 real torque. So it could handle your average L67, but for how long I wonder? Then add the stress of AWD.

I can see the interest for your common car, but for a Fiero? What's wrong with the Getrag we have? It's common, cheap, relatively light, and has shown to handle quite a bit of power. I guess I don't see myself building a Fiero for California traffic or a daily driver, and I like having the true manual gearbox.

[Series8217]

What's wrong with the Getrag we have? It's common, cheap, relatively light, and has shown to handle quite a bit of power.

No decent LSD available, poor shift quality, mediocre power handling, crappy gear ratios..

[Aaron]

I don't think the LSD is really needed personally. Both of my cars were more than happy to slide the back end out in either direction. And I didn't run into traction issues, though with my new motor I expect to. But that's what dopping it and bigger tires are for. An LSD would be nice, but it isn't a requirement for me.

I'll agree on the shift quality. The 284s was really nice, but it's expensive and hard to find.

I don't think either of us will be overpowering our Getrags anytime soon. Though a modded L67 could pretty easily I guess, though most of those guys go auto anyways.

I had no complaints about the stock ratios, but you are more into corner/road course driving than I am.

[Blue Shift]

Is that a SMG? That'd be pretty sweet, but good luck convincing GM to put one in anything, anytime soon.

[Fastback86]

Does it have good ratios? Cause if it does, GM corporate policy forbids them from putting it in an American car.

[fiero-iwan]

For 2008, Volvo is adding a DCT to the S40 and V50 while Ford is also adding one to the Focus equipped with a new 2.0L turbodiesel. Chrysler is also installing a DCT in European-spec models of the new Dodge Journey CUV. By 2010 Getrag expects to sell 500,000 DCTs a year growing to 2 million by 2014. That doesn't include the 700,000 units that will come from the Chrysler-Getrag joint venture starting in 2009.

this is from the following link near the top:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/category/volvo/page/2/

It appears the US will not be spared this invasion by DSG transmissions

[Indy]

Looks like Volvo is going to be using it in their lineup, so going to be a Ford transmission. Makes things more difficult.

[fiero-iwan]

Looks like Volvo is going to be using it in their lineup, so going to be a Ford transmission. Makes things more difficult.

More difficult would mean bell housing incompatibillity ?

These dsg's are very compact so there should be enough room for an addaptor plate between the engine and transmission...

[fiero-iwan]

Look at this getrag dsg it even has a higher torque rating of 470Nm
And it is very compact (only 35 cm long thats about the length of a ruler)

http://www.getrag.de/en/234

The getrag and the volvo are not the same thing are they?
I'm confused now..

Help
me

[Series8217]

Looks like Volvo is going to be using it in their lineup, so going to be a Ford transmission. Makes things more difficult.

Volvo does not use Ford drivetrains. They have their own bellhousing pattern (common among ALL Volvo engines) and many of their manual transmissions have been in-house stuff. They're overbuilt as hell too.
Other Ford cars that use Volvo chassis, like the Mazda3 and Ford Focus, use Ford engines and transmissions.

[Aaron]

Does it have good ratios? Cause if it does, GM corporate policy forbids them from putting it in an American car.

I think that's a very ignorant, and factually wrong, statement.

Most new GMs actually have great ratios, all around too. Their RWD 6-speed transmissions are simply beautifully geared, even in the Z06. And the autos are still good all around. You can only do so much with a 4 speed auto, and I think they make the best out of what they have.

Now they aren't all good of course, but I've had very little complaints about any of the GMs I drive. And the older Z34 5-speeds had great gear ratios, near perfect actually. My 96 Z34, auto, has good ratios too. Although not perfect, again, it's a 4-speed, you can only do so much. But I get into the power curve quickly, then the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts both land me in the beginning of the power band, not lagging much at all. Not bad, especially when it short-shifts by a few hundred RPM.

[Fastback86]

Does it have good ratios? Cause if it does, GM corporate policy forbids them from putting it in an American car.

I think that's a very ignorant, and factually wrong, statement.

Most new GMs actually have great ratios, all around too. Their RWD 6-speed transmissions are simply beautifully geared, even in the Z06. And the autos are still good all around. You can only do so much with a 4 speed auto, and I think they make the best out of what they have.

Now they aren't all good of course, but I've had very little complaints about any of the GMs I drive. And the older Z34 5-speeds had great gear ratios, near perfect actually. My 96 Z34, auto, has good ratios too. Although not perfect, again, it's a 4-speed, you can only do so much. But I get into the power curve quickly, then the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts both land me in the beginning of the power band, not lagging much at all. Not bad, especially when it short-shifts by a few hundred RPM.

I think just about everything you say is an ignorant, and usually factually wrong, statement.

Regardless, the discussion was about a FWD tranny, so I thought it was implied that I was referencing GM FWD trannies of yore. No one's complaining about GM RWD trannies, so why bring it up? Secondly, I'm really not interested in what you think about the cars you've driven. I hardly consider a giant 1-2 split to be a "perfect" set of ratios. GM has been using ratios that people think they like for a long time, but are shit compared to their RWD cars.

[Aaron]

My Z34, all 4 of them, have been great. The 1-2 split isn't huge at all. In the 5-speed I sit at 4,300rpm after, and in the auto, about 3400. Can't get much better hwen the car comes on hard at 3500.

And the gearset on the Fiero Getrags is good too. The 2.8 doesn't fall much below 3,000 if any at all, and the DOHC lands at just above 4.

The only RWD tranny I mentioned was the LSX. And it isn't that GM puts more emphasis on it, it's that they have another gear to play with, which makes a huge difference in every gear before it.

The only other 3 GM FWD units I have experience with are the 5-speed Cavy Z24s, the L67/3800 auto, and the LS3. Again, no complaints at all. No lagging gear splits, good highway RPM. They are exactly what I'd look for in an all around car.

[fiero-iwan]

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[p8ntman442]

w41 calais getrags had decent ratios

[Indy]

Looks like Volvo is going to be using it in their lineup, so going to be a Ford transmission. Makes things more difficult.

Volvo does not use Ford drivetrains. They have their own bellhousing pattern (common among ALL Volvo engines) and many of their manual transmissions have been in-house stuff. They're overbuilt as hell too.
Other Ford cars that use Volvo chassis, like the Mazda3 and Ford Focus, use Ford engines and transmissions.

I meant to say that other divisions of Ford will be using the transmission also, according to some article I found.

[Series8217]

w41 calais getrags had decent ratios

No they didnt, the 2 to 3 shift had too much of a drop

[Series8217]

Looks like Volvo is going to be using it in their lineup, so going to be a Ford transmission. Makes things more difficult.

Volvo does not use Ford drivetrains. They have their own bellhousing pattern (common among ALL Volvo engines) and many of their manual transmissions have been in-house stuff. They're overbuilt as hell too.
Other Ford cars that use Volvo chassis, like the Mazda3 and Ford Focus, use Ford engines and transmissions.

I meant to say that other divisions of Ford will be using the transmission also, according to some article I found.

Then that would make things less difficult.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Does it have good ratios? Cause if it does, GM corporate policy forbids them from putting it in an American car.

I think that's a very ignorant, and factually wrong, statement.

That's because it was a joke and you didn't understand it. :scratch:

Don't confuse fact and opinion.

There was a topic on Pffifle not too long ago with a discussion about trans ratios. I think it was Zac88GT who had desktop drag and did a simulation optimizing gear ratios for drag racing with a Northstar dyno curve and came up with a set very similar to the first 4 ratios in GM's new 6 speed RWD automatics. I thought this was very interesting. GM has obviously done a similar analysis to choose those ratios.

However, drag racing is best done with an automatic and is far from being the only use for a transmission. I would argue that most manual transmission enthusiasts want to do a lot more with their cars than drag race.

What does that mid 4's first gear become once you're moving? Extra dead weight and drivetrain mass because you can't use it again. Ever tried using first in either a 282 or a 284 on an AutoX course? The only time it's remotely useful is going around a pivot and even in that circumstance, you really have to nail the shift to get into it. When I took The Mule to Deal's Gap, I was lower in the RPM range that I would have liked in 2nd gear on at least half the turns.

The T56 (LSX is slang for a specific engine family, not a transmission, BTW) has such ratios. First is in the mid 2's rather than the mid 3's or even mid 4's. The kicker is that GM didn't design the T56. Dodge originally spec'd it for the Viper and GM borrowed the box for the Vette and then F-body. GM can't even spec RWD transmissions anymore. Consider the Aisin AY6 (RPO: MV7) available in the '08 Cadillac CTS. It has a 4.155 first gear and a 2.513 second gear. Manual transmissions with 4:1 first gears belong in trucks, not cars that are supposed to be sporty. GM doesn't actually put any development effort into their manual transmission equipped cars. One of the big three car mags recently gave the manual transmission CTS a lower rating than the automatic transmission because the car as a whole wasn't as fully developed. GM treats manual transmissions like an afterthought or a box to check. They don't take them seriously, as evidenced by the fact that they just outright dropped the 6 speed manual from the G6 lineup. They don't take FWD performance seriously which is why they turned out nothing but FWD strut suspended automatic transmission blah boxes for almost two decades and found themselves in dire financial straits. Despite the fact that they've turned around a lot their lineup in terms of aesthetic and build quality, I still think they're a LONG way from "getting it" the way Honda and BMW do.