VA Tech Shooting

The Dark Side of Will · Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:22 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. ... index.html

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world...

Mach10 · Post by **Mach10** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:59 pm

And I find it kinda funny,
I find it kinda sad,
The dreams in which I'm dying,
Are the best I've ever had,
I find it hard to swallow,
I find it hard to take,
When people run in circles it's a very, very...
Mad world.
Mad world.
Mad... World...

Kohburn · Post by **Kohburn** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:04 pm

yep 32 dead, 29 wounded. the first victim was in Ambler Johnston west, my old dorm, the rest were at norris (engineering hall)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html

DiggityBiggity · Post by **DiggityBiggity** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:29 pm

All the more reason for people to learn about weapons, and carry their own.

The Dark Side of Will · Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:35 pm

Diggity the revolutionary.

Concur. Open carry is perfectly fine in VA. I always wondered what kind of reactions I'd get if I walked around school with a gun on my hip.

Unsafe At Any Speed · Post by **Unsafe At Any Speed** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:45 pm

I don't know about VA, but you can't carry a weapon on school campuses here. Although people do give us wierd looks sometimes when we carry our M-1s around for rifle team practice. :thumbleft:

whipped · Post by **whipped** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:56 pm

I heard that on the news and nearly shit myself... You think "oh, another school shooting... probably a couple dead and the gunman..."

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:04 pm

I was wondering when this was going to happen. The amount of casualties one person was incurring in past shootings were amazingly low in my opinion.

What Diggity said too.

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:17 pm

In boston, my roomate came from duty (airforce MP) and went to class in uniform (including his sidearm on accident) the teacher didnt say anything, but left the room for a minute, then 5 minuts later BPD escorted him from the classroom.

Diggity, you and INDY are so WRONG!

so this guy starts shooting, and someone caps his ass, and someone ariving on scene shoots the guy who caped the shooter. More innocent dead, and who the fuck appointed you judge jury and executioner of me? Get real.

Find me the last english newspaper incident of a school shooting.

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:23 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 455865.stm

Mach10 · Post by **Mach10** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:23 pm

It's about gun-culture. Americans have a guaranteed right to access firearms, so they treat them as toys and as status objects.

And suddenly people are surprised when a total fucking wingnut picks one up and acts on the "Gee, I feel fucking INVINCIBLE with this thing!"

Actually, they aren't surprised, they start quoting made-up statistics about how many more lives guns save over ending, and repeating the same rhetoric about how guns are harmless.

I couldn't agree more; a gun is a tube with a spring-loaded pin.

It's when you start worshipping that tube-and-a-pin that the problems start. The madness won't ever end because the same madness that causes those lost souls to open fire on a classroom is EXACTLY the same madness that spawns the catch-phrase "Out of my cold dead hands."

It's the difference between a chain-smoker gasping blue clouds out of a laryngectomy stoma and a meth addict knifing a pedestrian for $20 to buy some more dust.

Both are addictive, obsessive behavior. It serves no common good, exists fore PURELY selfish reasons, and in the long run only harms other people.

More guns doesn't mean lower crime, it means faster escalation.

Edit: Oh, and for the record, the UK's stance isn't perfect either. In the late 90s in Scotland there was a terrible shooting with something like 13 dead.

whipped · Post by **whipped** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:58 pm

heh...

imagine how it would have been if everyone in school were packing heat.....

Mexican stand off, or a chain reaction? hmm...

Weponhead · Post by **Weponhead** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:11 pm

well see, you fail to realize, if the psycho came in, and shot someone, then someone SANE shot him, logically the sane person would holster his weapon after the threat was removed. thus he wouldnt be a target. duh gee..

Dirty Sanchez · Post by **Dirty Sanchez** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:19 pm

The media is already talking about getting stricter gun laws. Why don't they relax them so that more people can have them. If this were the case someone could have killed the shooter before he tallied up such a large body count.

DiggityBiggity · Post by **DiggityBiggity** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:34 pm

whipped wrote:heh...

imagine how it would have been if everyone in school were packing heat.....

Mexican stand off, or a chain reaction? hmm...

No way. People who carry are usually responsible people.

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:43 pm

p8ntman442 wrote:
More innocent dead, and who the fuck appointed you judge jury and executioner of me? Get real.

You did, when you started shooting and KILLING PEOPLE. When this country was founded, do you think if something like this happened people would wait for the cops to show up to do anything?

These days, citizens of the U.S. bend over until the police or the government tell them to stop.

"Touch my toes? Okay!!!! (Gee I hope the cops get here soon)"

Mach10 wrote: It's about gun-culture. Americans have a guaranteed right to access firearms, so they treat them as toys and as status objects.

And suddenly people are surprised when a total fucking wingnut picks one up and acts on the "Gee, I feel fucking INVINCIBLE with this thing!"

We have no idea what it's about yet, besides the increasing lack of meaning behind the average American life, and people just not caring about it.

Weponhead · Post by **Weponhead** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:56 pm

yea well a lack of meaning to our lives is pretty much our fault.because we dont take enough responsibility for what goes on in the world.. all these people who have no meaning are happy to float along sheparded by the government "and religion". and with them being the majority, it makes it that much harder for those who actually want to DO something about ANYTHING.

whipped · Post by **whipped** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:09 pm

The news said the guy was asian....

...didn't see that one coming...

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:23 pm

Weponhead wrote:***snip***

:withstupid:

Except about the religion part. At least when applied personally, it tends to promote responsibility and action. Or at least some religions do.

Regardless, the "government is the only entity responsible for me or who can do anything" attitude that alot of this country has adopted disgusts me. People in this country have spent such a long time living without great national hardship that they've forgotten that personal action is what life DEMANDS when put into a bad situation. What was the last real, REAL difficulty this country has faced as a whole? 9/11 was a tragedy, don't get me wrong. The war in Iraq is difficult, sure. But those are piddly drops in the bucket compared to the hardships experienced by generations 40, 65, 75 or 90 or more years ago.

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Back on topic.

The Dark Side of Will · Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:24 pm

Racist. Do you think Teutonic Goths have a monopoly on going nuts and shooting people?

Actually, that's not surprising... the accounts I've heard on the news say he was very thorough, which isn't a trait of your typical shoot-em up nutzo...