Kohburn wrote:localized crime increases and drops that happen in US areas don't correspond to canada in any way nor do they correspond to other non local US cities.
I agree--but I think you misunderstood me. What I said was that these localized drops in crime rate (which have been steady since the late 70s, BTW) correspond to similar drops in Canada--as well as drops nationwide in the US.
Since Gun-Control isn't an issue in Canada (no ccw), if the numbers are behaving the same, then you can't realistically suggest that crime drops as more people carry.
you can't look at crime increases and drops on a global scale and say "oh people are just being less violent this year" you have to look at all the changes tha have been implemented.
BUT if the drops are consistent across the board, you can't reasonably suggest that this is due to local pressures.
i've looked at a lot of the "statistics" put out by the anti gun people and the ones put out by pro gun people. the anti gunners leave out all the extra details and make as broad of blanket statements as possible to make it serve their purpose, the pro gunners include as much detail as possible about the laws changed in the specific areas that crime rose or fell to show the correllation.
ALL of the stats I've quoted come from studies that would be considered "neutral" in the discussion. Specifically Stats Can (census 2006) and FBI crime stat.
Maybe you've looked at them, but I don't think you READ them.
beleive it or not you won't be changing my mind on the topic.
There's a nasty word for someone who believes the same thing on wednesday--regardless of what he learned on monday or tuesday.
Open mind, that's where it's at--is all I'm saying.
lol - so because they still commited crimes it doesn't mean that they didn't pick their targets based on risk of the victim being armed, or that they didn't commit more serious crimes for fear of being put to death for it?
No, it means that their "explanation" is worthless. You are asking someone for meaning/justification AFTER the fact, and after having been institutionalized. People will go to all sorts of lengths to justify actions they regret--consciously or otherwise.
Get into a car accident, and ask the person why they ran the red light months after the fact... Enjoy the answer.
they broke the law, they aren't brain damaged.
Never said they were--just that their justifications for their actions don't reflect the spontenaeity that describes a massive, massive percentage of criminal acts.
funny haven't scene yours either :la:
Re-read my post, then... I quoted from a 2003 crime survey right from the FBI... Google it.
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