2005 3.6VVT from Buick Lacrose

XzotikGT · Post by **XzotikGT** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:09 pm

last time...make me a offer. Its not going to get done in my car.

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:26 am

The Dark Side of Will wrote:
Aaron wrote:Not as much as an all iron LSX block. I'm not saying it's light for what it is, I'm saying it's light compared to his 5.3--and it is.
If you're saying that, then find the numbers. Otherwise you're just speculating.

The 3.6 also has an aluminum intake manifold (no idea why...) vs. the nylon manifold on the Gen III/IV engines.

GM still can't take a V6 seriously.

Dude it weighs 360 pounds installed in the FWD auto applications. It's like 200 lbs lighter than the damn LS4.

Atilla the Fun · Post by **Atilla the Fun** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:23 am

I'm not gonna argue that. I will argue that my not using the cam phasing and the displacement on demand features does give me a small reduction of weight. As compared to if I got them and used them. Also, short-term, my using the flyweight Muncie saves me a few pounds versus a 4T65E, like the 3.6 uses.
I'd make an offer, to stick that 3.6 in the Bonneville I didn't have, the last time this thread was active, but you didn't offer this engine before I got my first 5.3

The Dark Side of Will · Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:31 am

Series8217 wrote:
The Dark Side of Will wrote:
Aaron wrote:Not as much as an all iron LSX block. I'm not saying it's light for what it is, I'm saying it's light compared to his 5.3--and it is.
If you're saying that, then find the numbers. Otherwise you're just speculating.

The 3.6 also has an aluminum intake manifold (no idea why...) vs. the nylon manifold on the Gen III/IV engines.

GM still can't take a V6 seriously.
Dude it weighs 360 pounds installed in the FWD auto applications. It's like 200 lbs lighter than the damn LS4.

Source?
Doesn't mean it can't shed another 20-30# of intake manifold weight... :thumbleft:

Atilla the Fun · Post by **Atilla the Fun** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:47 am

ArtGTP on Old Europe is looking for a 3.6, so I PM'ed him (or her) about this.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:50 am

Plus the intake ports on the head are pretty close together, much closer than the 3.4 DOHC. I think my ITBs might fit quite nicely at some point in the future.

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:25 pm

I was wrong about the 200 lb difference; the weight I had before (from WCF) was the whole powertrain, engine and tranny together.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/pr ... _LY7_n.xls

Engine Mass (kg/lbs) engine plant as shipped weight:
165 / 364 Automatic 187 / 412 Manual

The difference in mass between auto and manual is because of the heavy dual-mass flywheel, and I think it's also shipped with the clutch and pressure plate installed. I don't think the auto comes with the torque converter attached at all.
I just looked up the listing on the engine mass for the LS4 on the same site and it says 419 lbs (automatic).
So the 3.6 weighs 55lbs less than the LS4.

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:27 pm

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:35 pm

The Dark Side of Will wrote:The 3.6 is DOHC. That adds a lot of weight.

The 3.6 is a V6. That reduces the components by 25%. Two less pistons, two less connecting rods, a shorter, lighter crankshaft, a lighter harmonic balancer, two less cylinders, a shorter block, only eight more valves and lifters than an OHV V8, lighter lifters since its DOHC, no pushrods, lighter rockers (of course some DOHC designs don't even have rockers),
If the 3.6 was a DOHC V8 version of the LS4 your argument might hold up

XzotikGT · Post by **XzotikGT** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:24 am

Series8217 wrote:

its like you are trying to make me keep it!=)

anyhow since I am a machinist and have full access to waterjets galore, I was going to make an adapter plate for this motor to be mounted to a standard 60v6 tranny......I was leaning towards the g6 6 speed, but if I really wanted to I could mount it any fiero transaxle.......but then there was always longitudinal. I actually started mocking the car up at one point in time with a audi transaxle.....

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:35 am

XzotikGT wrote: its like you are trying to make me keep it!=)

I want someone to use it!! Why are you selling? The same reason I'm not buying? (No room or time for another big project...)

Atilla the Fun · Post by **Atilla the Fun** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:05 pm

when did the 303-HP 3.6 come with a manual? I thought that wasn't happening until the new Camaro arrives 10 months from now.

The Dark Side of Will · Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:11 pm

In the '08 CTS.

CincinnatiFiero · Post by **CincinnatiFiero** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:10 pm

This would be a hell of a swap, too bad I am balls deep in like 4 other projects. If someone figures it out first then a million of us will follow haha.

XzotikGT · Post by **XzotikGT** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:35 pm

its been figured out. I just dont have the time to do it anymore, and I have all these damn parts just sitting around.

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:14 am

Well, don't throw it away. Someone will buy it I'm sure.

XzotikGT · Post by **XzotikGT** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:46 pm

550.oo plus shipping.....need this stuff gone like yesterday!

Nashco · Post by **Nashco** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:08 pm

XzotikGT wrote:550.oo plus shipping.....need this stuff gone like yesterday!

How much of this is left in the $550 deal? Thanks.

XzotikGT wrote:This is as complete as it gets. I have the complete uncut harness, all accessories, fuse box, fuel pump, exhaust all the way to the joint just after the cat, drive by wire gas pedal, two PCMs: one for the tranny and one for the motor, Mass airflow sensor. This motor will bolt right to the six speed in the SAAb 9-3(six speed), and will work out quite nice in a Fiero.

Bryce

XzotikGT · Post by **XzotikGT** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:20 pm

everything

Series8217 · Post by **Series8217** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:19 pm

I got a new job. If I'm still there after 4 months, and your motor is still there after 4 months, I'll probably buy this.