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The Dark Side of Will · Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:50 pm

I'm VERY curious about the aluminum space frame. If that were obtainable, it would be a sweet project.

It would have been a sweeter production car, though... <2500# & 195 HP... Better power/weight ratio than a TPI Corvette.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:54 pm

The Dark Side of Will wrote:Better power/weight ratio than a TPI Corvette.

But what about a 400hp TPI Fiero?

Oversteer · Post by **Oversteer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:10 am

A little shot at the yellow delusion I figure?

The Dark Side of Will · Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:36 am

Aaron wrote:
The Dark Side of Will wrote:Better power/weight ratio than a TPI Corvette.
But what about a 400hp TPI Fiero?

I didn't think they build any of those.

Oversteer · Post by **Oversteer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:24 am

I guess it depends on the dyno your using.

The ass dyno says 400, and Carol Shelby says........

An endless battle I guess, but at least the majority of the sane members of both forums are aware of whats really going on.

In the spirit of such claims I will safely say that with the addition of my CAI, ported exhaust manifolds, my 8 mm wires, and sweet ass racing stripe that my 2.8 is pushing 250 to the tires without a doubt.

I just need to get McLaren to sign it and away we go.

emod19 · Post by **emod19** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:19 am

I just need to get McLaren to sign it and away we go.

That would be a challenge. Bruce Mclaren died in 1970.

Steve

Oversteer · Post by **Oversteer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:38 am

Than it would be just as believable as Cali's claim now wouldn't it?

Mach10 · Post by **Mach10** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:38 am

Would a DNA sample be acceptable? I've got a fine collection of shovels.

Imagine: A fiero "signed" with Bruce McLaren's toenail :thumbleft:

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:04 pm

Arron Thanks for stopping by and leading this thread to shit.

Oversteer · Post by **Oversteer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:40 pm

Well brother, you can blame me for that too.

This is an excellent thread. Its nice to hear about these things. You have a piece of history there and it would be awesome to get a detailed story to go with it.

The only information I have on that motor can be found in the 60 degree performance handbook. I saw a few other things in the Pontiac Motorsports catalogue I have a home, I will try and add some more info up for ya.

Hows that project coming anyways?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:06 pm

p8ntman442 wrote:Arron Thanks for stopping by and leading this thread to shit.

Your welcome, and, get the fuck over it.

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:47 pm

Update, I got the email of the guy who bought the other block, and fired one off to him. I got a reply.

Jamie, Great to hear from you. I got distracted for the last one and a half years and didn't do anything with the block after I got it. It looks really neat and I would love to knock some weight off the rear of my 88 2.5L coupe stripper model. It only weighs 2550 pounds, but it would be nice to be even less. It is lowered with 245/45/16 Pilot Cup tires on all 4 courners that provide a lot of grip. 500 #/inch springs in back with my own threaded coil over conversion on cheap shocks. Fun driving around the outside of NSX's and C6 corvettes on corners.

No real experience with the motor yet. Measured it and found it needs the early rope seal small journal crank. That about it. Had a smokin' deal for roller rockers, 3.1 aluinum heads, polished 3.1 FI intake, timing chain, etc, but the guy got into an ugly divorce and lost it all. I haven't looked at the motor since.

How do you feel about the small journal crank? I originally wanted to push up to a 3.1/3.4 crank, but I wonder now if it is truly worth the trouble.

I'm in AZ.
Were are you? McCreey sold the matching heads from my motor to someone else in AZ but I don't know who. Late 3.1 or 3.4 heads should be better, I suppose

Chuck

So he hasnt done anything with it yet, but atleast I know who it is. I gave him a link to here.

MNFatz · Post by **MNFatz** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:50 pm

p8ntman442 wrote:Arron Thanks for stopping by and leading this thread to shit.

He's trying to make you feel at home.

Sounds like it worked!

The Dark Side of Will · Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:51 pm

Cool. I'd be curious about snagging that block if it's available.

Shaun41178(2) · Post by **Shaun41178(2)** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:55 pm

You should talk him into buying my gen 2 heads and ITB intake setup. At least send him pics through email or something to get him drooling.

I even have matching pistons for 12:1 compression.

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:59 pm

put up a thread with links and pics, and Ill link it.

Shaun41178(2) · Post by **Shaun41178(2)** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:54 pm

heads
http://realfierotech.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2540

intake
phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2405

p8ntman442 · Post by **p8ntman442** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:59 pm

shaun dont count on a sale here.

Somebody loan me 1600 bucks.

Fastback86 · Post by **Fastback86** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:37 pm

Oversteer wrote:Now I could be wrong, and I will definetly have to check my sources BUT I do believe that the car labelled Porsche Eater was the Aluminum frame car (built by Alcan here in Ontario) with the HO Quad 4 installed.

I could be wrong, I will research more and post my findings.

I have a few friends that work for the engineering department here in Oshawa for GM but they laugh at me whenever I ask about the Fiero. I guess not everyone finds this as interesting as we do.

There is a rumour that Alcan or Magna (one or the other) still has an aluminum space frame from a Fiero. Mate that with the aluminum 60 degree and instant party bitches

Anyways, no more jacking your thread for today. My block/heads are made of Iron, and have nothing useful to add.

Oh one other thing. There was a Gen 1 race engine for sale awhile back on ebay, I think Shaun linked it for us. I believe that engine had shaft mounted roller rockers, but I could be wrong. I also think that engine had the larger valves, but once again I don't totally recall but it is evidence of at least one other in existance.

According to the Witzenburg book, the "Porsche Eater" Fiero had a turbocharged and intercooled Aluminum block 2.9l V6. Bolted to an Automatic, looks like a 4T60, but probably a Th125, I can't tell I don't know my auto trannies that well. Made 220-235HP, did 0-60 in 6.2, which apparently was scary fast back in those days. The book says nothing about the frame, but implies that they just dropped the 2.9 into a stock Fiero and took it to the proving grounds.

Oversteer · Post by **Oversteer** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:31 pm

You are indeed correct. I have read far too much Fiero literature over the years it seems and may have confused a few points.

Well I dug up the Aluminum frame information if anyone is interested. From the same book as mentioned above of course.

It states that there was two of them built in 1986 by Alcan Automotive Structures of Canada. The frame was built using the same molds as the conventional steel frame but used an adhesive agent rather then welding. The reduction in weight was 68% (frame), and the boosted torsional stiffness by 42%. These cars were equiped with the high output 2.3 Quad Four with 190 bhp matted to the good old 282 Getrag. These cars also had the power steering option.

So here's a question for those with more information and knowldege than me. Which of these two would be quicker.

a) 220 bhp 2.9 turbo charged steel framed Fiero

OR

b) 190 bhp 2.3 naturally aspirated aluminum frame Fiero

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm