Real Marine Tech? 383 + 18' Cobalt Jet

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Real Marine Tech? 383 + 18' Cobalt Jet

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Anybody into boats? Figure I'd share what's got my DOHC project on hold.

It's a 1972 18' Cobalt Jet with a OMC installed 245 HP (gross rating, I think) Chevy 307 V8 coupled to a Jacuzzi 12YJ jet drive. Seems to be very well made, nicely appointed boat by 70's standards, but by the time I got it, the decks were rotted, the jet drive was worn out, and the engine had water sitting in the pan for 6 years... but somehow still ran once I changed oil. How, I'll never know, as when we finally blew it up spinning donuts and figure 8's, we had run 2 seasons on it only to find that the block was cracked in a couple locations in the lifter valley, a head gasket was blown, and somewhere along the line one of my friends switched up spark plugs which led to preignition that I didn't catch as fast as I should have. They may be archaic, but Chevy v8's are surely as close to invincible as engines get.

This was last summer after we rebuild the jet drive, and put in fresh decks:

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After blowing the 307, the logical budget fix was to locate and install a marine grade 350 shortblock, with the same tricks OMC installed on the 307 in the way of cam, heads, intake, and 4bbl carb to boost power from the pitiful ratings as installed in the trucks of the time. Cept I was shopping around and came upon M&R engine out of Glendale, offering a 383 shortblock for 1500, with forged pistons, aftermarket I beam rods, and a new nodular iron crank. They even machined it to marine specs and clearances for me. Sweet.

This is what I got so far:

-M&R 383 stroker shortblock, 4 bolt, new nod iron crank, forged I beam rods, FHR KB pistons, -18CC dish pistons for 8.5:1 (required for severe duty/continuous load use on 87 gas)

-Rebuilt 487X cyl heads with "Z28 HO" style springs - 1.94" Intake 1.5" Exhaust

-Comp Cams/Hardin Marine Xtreme Marine 270H cam .480/.489" lift 112 deg LSA, 270/286 adv duration

-Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, Quadrajet

-Custom built Franken-Quadrajet using 454 truck castings, special tricks by Recarbco Fuel Systems. There was a Holley 650 DP on there, and the throttle response and driveability was horrible despite full rebuild and live engine tuning. The QJ was actually faster on GPS, too.

-7Qt. drag racing oil pan (to avoid running the pump dry again)

-Melling H55A standard volume, high pressure oil pump.

-Other goodies like a marine flash suppressed 1 wire Delco alternator to replace the external reg Prestolite

So what do y'all think?
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(note to moderator: I meant to put this in off topic, not "other cars". Move this if you feel it appropriate, thanks.)

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Before and after with the decks. We managed to replace them in 3 days somehow, start to finish.

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The jet drive after rebuild. The stainless propshaft, main bearing, and seal that Steven is holding cost about 1100 bucks if you have to replace it. Ouch.

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307 --> Death. Though I reused the heads, as they're what you'd find on a 70's LT1 350, as opposed to any 307 GM installed.
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I'm not getting how the jet works, is it like a giant jet ski type setup? Most of the jet boats around here use the centrifical pump type of jet.

Cool drivetrain on your boat, can't be too many setups like the one you have left.

I had a 1978 18' Glaspar speed boat with a 305 chevy rated at 198hp. Always wanted to rip out the 2bbl 305 and throw in a motor with more torque for getting out of the hole quicker.
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The Jacuzzi 12YJ is an axial flow pump - basically it's like a helical 5 blade propeller in a tube, which which almost contacts a tapered steel wear ring (you can shim the impeller shaft forward more to tighten clearance). The the impeller pumps water into the bowl which has stator vanes to straighten out flow then narrows down to the nozzle. It's much like the axial stages of a gas turbine in design. The Jacuzzi tends to make a greater volume of water at lower pressure, and good low/midrange thrust for towing or skiing and whatnot.

The other kinda design is a "mixed flow" jet pump - the impeller looks like an axial on the front end, but in addition to the straight helical shape, it also expands out like a funnel toward the rear - water flowing through is both pumped straight through in an axial manner, and accelerated and thrown toward the edges in a centrifugal manner, and collected in the bowl which gathers all the water and gets it to the nozzle. The mixed flow jets produce much higher bowl pressure, and less flow which tends to give ultimate maximum speed and likely, more efficient cruise.

What I love about my boat, is that the holeshot was insane even for a 307 - instant full thrust without having to spin up the propellor. And I could literally spin the boat in circles at idle with 0 forward speed. Also going full throttle forward, cutting throttle squaring the wheel and applying full throttle again made for some WICKED powerslides and donuts!
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Nobody likes boats?
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I think it's a cool project.
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Boats are great.

The problem with them is that they're just holes in the water into which you throw money.

I think it would be sweet to live in a coastal city and have a boat with enough cabin to sleep in to cruise the coast or go wherever. I prefer sails where feasible, since they don't burn any fuel.
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The Dark Side of Will wrote: The problem with them is that they're just holes in the water into which you throw money.

I think it would be sweet to live in a coastal city and have a boat with enough cabin to sleep in to cruise the coast or go wherever. I prefer sails where feasible, since they don't burn any fuel.
Never waterski? Wakeboard? Tube? Gotta have a powerboat.
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The Dark Side of Will wrote:Boats are great.

The problem with them is that they're just holes in the water into which you throw money.

I think it would be sweet to live in a coastal city and have a boat with enough cabin to sleep in to cruise the coast or go wherever. I prefer sails where feasible, since they don't burn any fuel.
Yeah sails sound like a good idea for that kind of boat. This damn thing has a 33 gallon tank, and we could drain it in a full day of boating if we tried. If you think about it, 2-4 MPG to go 40 MPH with 250 HP is sorta ridiculous, and I'm kinda scared to see how the 383 drinks it... But shit, it's an addictive way to burn gas.

I was looking at some big yachts at the Berkeley Marina yesterday and I was wondering how crazy it'd be to spend 200K on a big ass yacht (a fraction of what houses cost out here), and live aboard the thing in a berth with AC and phone and inet and all that hooked up. It could be a pretty cool bachelor pad, I'd think. Have to be a pretty roomy big boat. A sailboat would be great cuz you could sail around everywhere for free.
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Series8217 wrote:
The Dark Side of Will wrote: The problem with them is that they're just holes in the water into which you throw money.

I think it would be sweet to live in a coastal city and have a boat with enough cabin to sleep in to cruise the coast or go wherever. I prefer sails where feasible, since they don't burn any fuel.
Never waterski? Wakeboard? Tube? Gotta have a powerboat.
I have. It's cool. I wouldn't own a boat just to do those things, though. A badass jetski, maybe.

Now a hydrofoil powerboat would be sweeet...
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*Cross posted from a non technical forum*

Alright. Well we fired the Cobalt's new engine last night at about midnight and she fired right up. The downside was that we ended up severely overheating the engine due to a gasket in the cooling system not being installed right. With all the stop and start, I was worried that we'd ruin the cam - which requires idling the engine at 1800-2500 RPM for 15-30 minutes to get the lobes worn in. Cams are notorious for failing (and ruining your brand new engine) during the breakin process, and it's always sort of a gamble.

So tonight we fixed the problem with the cooling system, and fired her up again. It was much to my amusement to look up from repeatedly checking every hose, belt, and fitting to see a big group of people gathered around to find out what all the noise was. Check it out:

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We had to shut her down when we burned up a ground (our portable spotlight took too much power and fused a wire). It fired right up after that, and toward the end of our 30 minut test, I began hearing what sounded like a lifter tapping - a sign of cam failure. I brought the revs down to about 1500... tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. Game over. We took it home expecting to pull out some galled up lifters, only to discover that all were still shiny and smooth, minus a couple scratches on one or two. One would think that the lifter would be scarred up if the cam ground itself flat. However on the #1 exhaust side I did discover this:

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The black pushrod is what I took out of the engine, the silver one is a known good one. Notice how bent it is. The rocker arm surface is pretty chudded, to boot. Could this have been the cause of the tapping? Could the engine still live? Will we make it to Bullard's Bar with less than a week left? Stay tuned...
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I pulled a pushrod like that out of my 2.hate it made a bad ticking sound.
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Post by BigRedDeckSpoiler »

Cool! I like boats. Especially fast ones. Wouldn't mind having a V8 Jet boat (The ones I remember are Berkely Jets), but it's waaaaay down the list of priorities.
I'm amazed that you could actually find parts for yours.
Good luck with your break-in issues.

BTW... a guy at work has a 26' Chris Craft with twin 350 Chevies (counter-rotating) for sale. $8500, IIRC.
GPS says that it'll do 67. Pretty fast for a boat that size.
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Then he needs to build a pair of counter rotating 427 small blocks and hit 75 or 80.
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Dude post some pics of the new motor!
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I was telling steven the other day online: We got to 40mph top speed with a 2.1L Volvo block. I'm sure that boat will rear up in the water like hell, but 3-4 MPG... ugh

Great post though! :thumbleft: I want a boat someday.
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The boat runs! I managed to sucessfully get it scraped together a mere day before our big weekend lake trip... like we do every year.

Engine assembly:

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Table full of goodies, including Comp Xtreme Marine 270H cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, ARP stuff, 7qt oil pan, marine 1 wire alternator, and lots of chrome.

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Custom Quadrajet. Throttle plate has primaries that have been bored oversize, and the whole thing was made from 454 truck spec parts, with live engine tuning to get it all working right.

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M&R of Glendale built me one of their "street economy" 383 shortblock assemblies. It's quite a nice bit of hardware.

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The rotating assembly is all new. Nodular iron crank of 2 piece design, new 5140 forged steel I beam rods, and forged pistons. The deal was that I'd get the Keith Black FHR entry level forged old style dish pistons. It turns out that they gave me the top of the line step dish (for quench) type instead. Sweet.

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Clearanced areas typical of a 383. Notice the super slim rod bolts - I believe they're made by ARP for 383 applications for more clearance. Also the shoulder of the rods are ground to clear (or you can use a small base circle cam), and the oil pan rails have been notched.
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The boat runs! I managed to sucessfully get it scraped together a mere day before our big weekend lake trip... like we do every year.

Engine assembly:

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Table full of goodies, including Comp Xtreme Marine 270H cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, ARP stuff, 7qt oil pan, marine 1 wire alternator, and lots of chrome.

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Custom Quadrajet. Throttle plate has primaries that have been bored oversize, and the whole thing was made from 454 truck spec parts, with live engine tuning to get it all working right.

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M&R of Glendale built me one of their "street economy" 383 shortblock assemblies. It's quite a nice bit of hardware.

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The rotating assembly is all new. Nodular iron crank of 2 piece design, new 5140 forged steel I beam rods, and forged pistons.

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The original deal was that I'd get Keith Black FHR entry level forged pistons, with the old style round dish. I was concerned that quench would be a problem. But when I got the engine, it turns out they threw in top of the line KB performance forged pistons, with the step dish design for good quench and all. Sweeeeeet!

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Clearanced areas typical of a 383. Notice the super slim rod bolts - I believe they're made by ARP for 383 applications for more clearance. Also the shoulder of the rods are ground to clear (or you can use a small base circle cam), and the oil pan rails have been notched.
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Double post!


That thing is a beast. :thumbleft:
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