The Hunt!/Eric's new dump.

[ericjon262]

I'm currently hoping to run the main drain plumbing for the new bathroom, and kitchen sink, like so:



the star represents the tie in to the existing plumbing, the burgundy diamond represents a planned cleanout location, and the gray diamond indicates a location I would love to add a cleanout, but have no realistic way to get to it if I add it there, and I don't think I'll have enough drop to make it to the edge of the house from there either. I'll investigate further tomorrow

you can't see it in this picture, but installing this exhaust fan/light combo over where the toilet will go was quite an event...



for starters, there was a piece of framing centered over the toilet... yay, so I cut it out, and reinforced it, of coarse me being me, I spread the new framing equally from the piece cut out, not thinking about how the fixture was offset, so then I had to add another support to catch the fixture, and center it. It looks ok, but man, I made it way more work than it needed to be.

[ericjon262]

oh boy, if you saw this place you would assume I hadn't made progress in a while, and you'd be mostly correct. I've spent the past few weeks working as much overtime as I can take to get my credit card paid off, and that's finally done again. Since I wasn't working OT this week, I set out to accomplish 2 things, get the layout figured for the kitchen, and get the crawlspace as cleaned up as possible so that I can put insulation in under the house.

here's the proposed kitchen layout...

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the blue represents the approximate location of the fridge, green=dishwasher, and red=range. the area past the range is to be determined still, and the purple box represents room for an island.

Under the house has been a disaster, there was a brick wall under the house that was part of the problem with the subfloor not sitting level/flat, I removed it, which was relatively easy, but then I had to remove the rubble from that, and from god knows what under the area where the new master suite is. trying to rake broken bricks, and chunks of concrete and broken mortar under a house sucks, but now most of that is removed, I'm going to try and grade everything as flat and smooth as possible, and I am considering encapsulating the crawlspace.

in other less exciting news, I've also been pulling scrap metal out of the yard, the previous owners used some of the property as their own personal dumping ground, and I've been trying to remove as much as possible, but keep finding more and more crap. I really wish I could rent a giant electromagnet to try and get the overwhelming majority of the junk out, but I don't think thats economically feasible.

[ericjon262]

There is no before picture, but in the middle of this was a pile of broken bricks, mortar, and concrete. I spent several days carefully removing as much as I could, then grading everything as flat as I could.



then I started tacking insulation up.



this is where the brick wall was under the house, I suspect the area to the left was an addition, the wall was underneath the double joist. it was quite a relief to have it out of there.



I also spent an unhealthy amount of time trying to figure out exactly how I would lay out the vanity in the bathroom, I came up with this:



the vanity will be made using off the shelf cabinets from Home depot, I would definitely prefer something nicer, but I need to be working with whatever is available, and affordable, the top of the drawing should be fairly obvious, shitter on the right, shower on the left, on the bottom, we get to the vanity. the width of the space is going to end up at 95", one inch sort of 8 feet, which is what makes the whole operation annoying, and it's definitely my fault, but oh well. on the far left, we have a sink on a 24" base cabinet, then we have a filler piece, an 18" drawer base, another filler, and then another 24" base with another sink. on the end will be a final 24" base, and the whole assembly will be covered with a piece of countertop. and then above the far right base cabinet will be a 24" wall cabinet. the two fillers in the middle will make up the 5" of space I need for the overall 95" vanity. all of this was a giant PITA to nail down, but now I can star legitimately roughing in the plumbing for the entire bathroom, and making a real plan for getting water to this end of the house, and waste from it.

I've also still been pulling debris, mostly iron pipe and iron pluming fittings out of the yard, it's been a mess to clean up, every time it rains more dirt is washed away and more pipe parts become visible...

This bucket full was about an hour's worth of pulling...



This is my pile so far, hopefully I can get someone to haul it all off for scrap, I don't want to fuck with it...

[The Dark Side of Will]

the two fillers in the middle will make up the 5" of space I need for the overall 95" vanity. all of this was a giant PITA to nail down, but now I can star legitimately roughing in the plumbing for the entire bathroom, and making a real plan for getting water to this end of the house, and waste from it.

Before you get too far into this... your probably want to allocate at least 1" of filler between the wall and whichever cabinet is next to it. Putting filler between the cabinet and the wall to the side of it is a general rule to allow the doors to operate fully without hitting the wall or having clearance problems. If you need a total of 5" of filler, but put 2.5" next to each wall and move on.

[ericjon262]

That's a wise point, and something I have encountered multiple times already with this house, I'll have to give the cabinets a good look over, and see how close the open doors are to the edge. I could also move the fillers to the wall sides, their position is not set in stone. as long as the overall width ends up at 95" Thanks.

[ericjon262]

I'm pretty much finished with insulation under the master bed and bathroom, all I have left is the area under the sink, shower, and toilet, where the plumbing will go. This week, I'm going to try and get the drain/sanitary plumbing finished up.

I ran wire to the water heater and laundry room, which allowed me to remove the original breaker panel, which gets me a step closer to rebuilding the rear wall of the house, it really needs it.





among other things, it's a giant mess, rebuilding the wall brings it's own set of problems though. The wall is between the main house, and what I've been calling a patio. the area is poorly framed, and really needs to be torn down and rebuilt, which is a future me problem. in the picture below, you can see that the "rafters" that make up what would be the ceiling of the patio are nailed to the old wood siding of the back wall of the house...



So before I can rebuild the wall, I need to address this. Eventually, I would like to make this patio part of the house, with the floor either the same level, or one step lower, currently the floor in the patio area is about 2 steps lower.

here is a sketch of what's existing. the arrow is pointing at the wall the needs to be rebuilt.



here is more or less my plan, I'll get some long 2x6's, and cantilever them over the wall, so they tie into the original ceiling structure of the house, and I'll add supports from the wall, up to the roof of the patio. then remove the framing attached to the siding on the wall. The red circled area below could be removed, and the floor raised to match the rest of the house.





All that said, and it's just the starting plan, for now, this week, and into next week, I'm going to focus on plumbing the master bathroom, so that I'm a step closer to being able to tear down one of the old bathrooms.

[ericjon262]

I really hate plumbing coming straight through the bottom of a cabinet, and there's a beam under the sill plate there, so I can't go through it either. I arranged a 45 degree elbow and street elbow to make a small dog leg that should keep the plumbing from being into the floor of the cabinet, which will allow the entire cabinet floor to be flat.





I also picked up and dropped in a bathtub, the instructions specify studs in certain locations if using the wall kit too, I haven't decided whether or not I would use it, so I went ahead and put them in anyways. The tub is fairly large, I typically shower, but it's comfortable enough for me to sit in it, and I'm 6'2" or so.



My goal right now, is that by the end of next week, I have the bathroom plumbing finished, the tub installed, the new bedroom window installed, and the new kitchen window installed. Ideally, this would leave me with all of the brick work I need to do finished, and in a position to start the plumbing for the kitchen, and insulating the kitchen floors. I was also able to get more of the duct work removed from under the house, most of it is currently removed, I have one bedroom, and some trunk line left, once that's finished, it will make it easier to work on water supply plumbing, as the main header comes in on that side of the house.

[ericjon262]

plumbing, plumbing, plumbing... drain plumbing is the most awkward and tedious thing to work on, it's, both "meh, close enough" and "fuck, I'm off by 1/2 a cunt hair" at the same time, but thankfully, all I have left is to tie in the header to the septic tank, the kitchen sink, and tieing the vents together, and out through the roof. hopefully this week I can get most of the supply lines roughed in.

this is the header for the toilet and shower, there's a cleanout on the end, and two vents, one upstream of the toilet, and one upstream of the shower, and downstream of the toilet. they both go through the wall and into the attic where they will combine with the sink vents and go through the roof.



here it is in place.



here's where the main drain header is, this collects all drainage from this side of the house and direct it to the septic tank. at the far end is a cleanout, and then the drain for the kitchen sink, which will be under the window that you can't see in this picture. the wye further down is from the two bathroom sinks, and the sanitary tee is the toilet and shower.

[ericjon262]

The overwhelming majority of my time lately has been spent working on the house, and it's frustrating how little there is to show from all of it. Yesterday, I started laying subfloors, I've been trying to insulate what I can, when I can, for both noise, and comfort. it feels good to have subfloors going down, but man it's a tedious process, the biggest thing is trying to make the floors relatively flat, the old floors were full of humps that drove me nuts. I've been using an angle grinder to shave down high joists, so far its working ok, dustier than I would like, but ok.




Tomorrow, I'm going to try and get some greenboard up in the ceiling of the bathroom, and maybe on the walls that the shower isn't on, and maybe make more progress on the kitchen subfloors.

[The Dark Side of Will]

2x10 joists on 16" centers?

[ericjon262]

2x10 joists on 16" centers?

yeah, I'll be glad when this project is over.

[The Dark Side of Will]

At least you can have a dance party there.

[Series8217]

The overwhelming majority of my time lately has been spent working on the house, and it's frustrating how little there is to show from all of it. Yesterday, I started laying subfloors, I've been trying to insulate what I can, when I can, for both noise, and comfort. it feels good to have subfloors going down, but man it's a tedious process, the biggest thing is trying to make the floors relatively flat, the old floors were full of humps that drove me nuts. I've been using an angle grinder to shave down high joists, so far its working ok, dustier than I would like, but ok.




Tomorrow, I'm going to try and get some greenboard up in the ceiling of the bathroom, and maybe on the walls that the shower isn't on, and maybe make more progress on the kitchen subfloors.

Are you putting a moisture barrier on top of the subfloor or is humidity not a problem where you live? Even the batts we get in California have a moisture barrier on one side (to face the subfloor).

[ericjon262]

I'm currently planning on encapsulating the crawl space and installing a dehumidifier to combat moisture issues.